Yes exactly.. that's why I want to make sure I'm buying an appropriate one before I mess up. I contacted thomann and they recommended https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htm but isn't this different from a UPS? Would this be enough against brownouts/blackouts?docbop wrote:Simple solution don't buy cheap gear. Why buy top of the line keyboard then connect it to bargain basement support gear?
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Re: Power conditioner or surge protector?
This filters out voltage transients and surges but doesn’t lift (brownouts) or provide a battery backup.Winds wrote:Yes exactly.. that's why I want to make sure I'm buying an appropriate one before I mess up. I contacted thomann and they recommended https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htm but isn't this different from a UPS? Would this be enough against brownouts/blackouts?docbop wrote:Simple solution don't buy cheap gear. Why buy top of the line keyboard then connect it to bargain basement support gear?
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I've been checking out locally and almost all major sellers are out of stock.. can any1 help to direct me to a suitable ups that has a battery backup, online, either sweetwater, thomann or bhphotovideo should be fine..MarkJames wrote:This filters out voltage transients and surges but doesn’t lift (brownouts) or provide a battery backup.Winds wrote:Yes exactly.. that's why I want to make sure I'm buying an appropriate one before I mess up. I contacted thomann and they recommended https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htm but isn't this different from a UPS? Would this be enough against brownouts/blackouts?docbop wrote:Simple solution don't buy cheap gear. Why buy top of the line keyboard then connect it to bargain basement support gear?
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I was able to find ONE shop that has 2 line interactive UPS units left, doesn't seem that expensive tho, about 50-70 usd... Both are prolink brand... and specs are as follows
Model 1
Capacity - 650VA
Input - 140 - 300VAC +-5% 50/60Hz (Auto Sensing)
Output - 230VAC +-10% 50Hz +-1% (Battery mode)
Transfer Time - 2ms typical
Battery Type - 12V/8.2AH x 1
Backup Time - 8 to 30 mins depending on the load
Recharge Time - 2 - 4 hours recover to 90% of the capacity
Model 2
Capacity - 850VA
Input - 140 - 300VAC +-5% 50/60Hz (Auto Sensing)
Output - 230VAC +-10% 50Hz +-1% (Battery mode)
Transfer Time - 2ms typical
Battery Type - 12V/10AH x 1
Backup Time - 8 to 30 mins depending on the load
Recharge Time - 2 - 4 hours recover to 90% of the capacity
Seems like capacity and the battery type are the only ones that differ while the rest looks the same. Should this be enough and then I can just pair/chain it with this https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htm ? If so do I go with Model 1, 2? Or either should suffice?
Model 1
Capacity - 650VA
Input - 140 - 300VAC +-5% 50/60Hz (Auto Sensing)
Output - 230VAC +-10% 50Hz +-1% (Battery mode)
Transfer Time - 2ms typical
Battery Type - 12V/8.2AH x 1
Backup Time - 8 to 30 mins depending on the load
Recharge Time - 2 - 4 hours recover to 90% of the capacity
Model 2
Capacity - 850VA
Input - 140 - 300VAC +-5% 50/60Hz (Auto Sensing)
Output - 230VAC +-10% 50Hz +-1% (Battery mode)
Transfer Time - 2ms typical
Battery Type - 12V/10AH x 1
Backup Time - 8 to 30 mins depending on the load
Recharge Time - 2 - 4 hours recover to 90% of the capacity
Seems like capacity and the battery type are the only ones that differ while the rest looks the same. Should this be enough and then I can just pair/chain it with this https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htm ? If so do I go with Model 1, 2? Or either should suffice?
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If you’re only powering your Nord and maybe a few other keyboards/modules #1 should be enough.
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So after getting #1 this is probably not necessary correct? https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htmMarkJames wrote:If you’re only powering your Nord and maybe a few other keyboards/modules #1 should be enough.
Just to add on, as of now I am only powering an NS3, so no other keyboard or modules
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I’d try it first and see before getting the FurmanWinds wrote:So after getting #1 this is probably not necessary correct? https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htmMarkJames wrote:If you’re only powering your Nord and maybe a few other keyboards/modules #1 should be enough.
Just to add on, as of now I am only powering an NS3, so no other keyboard or modules
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Alright Ill buy one tomorrow and play around with it at home first and see how it goes, thank you!MarkJames wrote:I’d try it first and see before getting the FurmanWinds wrote:So after getting #1 this is probably not necessary correct? https://www.thomann.de/gb/furman_ac210_ ... tioner.htmMarkJames wrote:If you’re only powering your Nord and maybe a few other keyboards/modules #1 should be enough.
Just to add on, as of now I am only powering an NS3, so no other keyboard or modules
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So I was able to find another shop that are selling UPS but the prices are quite expensive, about 6 models ranging from about 70 to 1000 usd. Is it even worth buying that expensive?
The specs are as follows, from cheapest to expensive
BVX700LUI-MS - US$70
360W/700A
220-240V Input/Output
AVR,USB Charging,Universal Sockets
Smart-UPS LCD SMC1000I - US$435
600W/1000VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
Input - IEC C14
Output - 8 x IEC C13
Back-UPS Pro, BR1300MI - US$435
780W/1300VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
8 Outlets & AVR
Power-Saving Back-UPS Pro, BR1500MI - US$510
865W/1500VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
12 IEC Outlets (5 surge)
Smart-UPS LCD, SMC1500I - US$605
900W/1500VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
Input - IEC 320v C14
Output - 8 x IEC C13
Smart-UPS LCD, SMC3000I - US$1090
2100W/3000VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
Input - IEC 320V C19
Output - 8 x IEC C13
So I guess now with more options I am confused and just need help pinpointing.. is it worth to spend a bit more on any of these models, or getting the Model 1 previously mentioned is enough (about US$50)?
The specs are as follows, from cheapest to expensive
BVX700LUI-MS - US$70
360W/700A
220-240V Input/Output
AVR,USB Charging,Universal Sockets
Smart-UPS LCD SMC1000I - US$435
600W/1000VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
Input - IEC C14
Output - 8 x IEC C13
Back-UPS Pro, BR1300MI - US$435
780W/1300VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
8 Outlets & AVR
Power-Saving Back-UPS Pro, BR1500MI - US$510
865W/1500VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
12 IEC Outlets (5 surge)
Smart-UPS LCD, SMC1500I - US$605
900W/1500VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
Input - IEC 320v C14
Output - 8 x IEC C13
Smart-UPS LCD, SMC3000I - US$1090
2100W/3000VA
230V Input/Output
LCD Interface
Input - IEC 320V C19
Output - 8 x IEC C13
So I guess now with more options I am confused and just need help pinpointing.. is it worth to spend a bit more on any of these models, or getting the Model 1 previously mentioned is enough (about US$50)?
Again, if I were to buy one, I would only be using it to currently power only a NS3, no other keyboards or modules whatsoever.Winds wrote: Model 1
Capacity - 650VA
Input - 140 - 300VAC +-5% 50/60Hz (Auto Sensing)
Output - 230VAC +-10% 50Hz +-1% (Battery mode)
Transfer Time - 2ms typical
Battery Type - 12V/8.2AH x 1
Backup Time - 8 to 30 mins depending on the load
Recharge Time - 2 - 4 hours recover to 90% of the capacity
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