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Re: Allen & Heath zed 10fx users

Postby damasp » 11 Oct 2014, 01:44

Thanks for all your replies. None of it was making sense to me until this morning. I found the manual was very basic and I guess I don't have a strong background in the tech area.

Anyway I was able to write a "ticket" to A&H yesterday and got a reply this morning from a tech. Looking back, a lot of you were giving similar advice.

This is what he said:

"Based on what you describe it sounds like the 'Listen' buttons are engaged.
The 'Listen' buttons are essentially a PFL switch (Pre Fade Listen) which should only be used to determine the optimum input level, this will temporarily make the signal mono.
Also, in the headphone section, make sure all assignment buttons are up, Record bus etc and then you will be passing the LR mix directly to the headphones."

So my mistake was that I had the channel headphone listen button depressed and the master volume knob wasn't up. So it works perfectly in stereo through the headphones and makes sense. Great relief. I guess there is a lot to learn in life and audio.
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Re: Allen & Heath zed 10fx users

Postby FunKey » 11 Oct 2014, 11:44

I'm glad this is solved now. It is a little strange, though: If you listen in on a stereo channel, why isn't the output in stereo? (I think the mixer I have does produce a stereo signal in that case.)
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Re: Allen & Heath zed 10fx users

Postby Cornopean » 11 Oct 2014, 13:47

Because the PFL/listen buttons are connected to a mono bus to save money - the primary function of those buttons is to audition one track, to check for clipping/levels/feedback etc. I think the aux bus and FX bus are also mono on that model. In fact aux busses usually are, but you can always use two of them if they exist, just remember to adjust the levels independently to pan, but combined to change overall level. The Zed10FX record bus is in stereo and can be routed to the headphones if an alternative mix is required without all the channels going to the main outs, but there is no channel level control here for mixing (or indeed on PFL).

In general, just because a bus has a particular name doesn't mean it's the only way of doing things. I've previously mixed four independent monitor mixes on a board with two AUX busses but two EFX busses as well (one internal, I just turned its output down to zero). Provided you keep your brain engaged when setting up, and study the manual to see what's pre- and post-fader, many mixers are designed to be more versatile than the labels might suggest. The labels are there so that if you suddenly find yourself with a board and no time to study it, you can do all the basics immediately, but it's definitely worth getting to know your mixer better.

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Re: Allen & Heath zed 10fx users

Postby damasp » 12 Oct 2014, 22:46

Hey Guys,

I'm also looking for ideas for some ways to hook up the mixer with keys for a gig this Friday night.
This Weds is no problem since we aren't being mic.ed up.

Friday we are playing a club that has a PA. With my Behringer mixer, I would give him a channel from the "control room" of that mixer to the FOH DI. I would run a cable out of the main output to my speaker cabinet. I only bring one cabinet since we only get an hour or so to play there and we need to setup and take down quickly.

I'm thinking:
I could give the FOH, a XLR output from the back of my speaker (into their DI box) and send my speaker a XLR main out (or both channels?) from my mixer.
or:
give the FOH my Main out and send the AUX out to my speaker.

Any recommendations?
Also when only using one speaker cabinet is there any benefit or detriment to running stereo L&R from keys to mixer and sending L&R from the mixer into the two channel inputs of the one speaker cabinet? I realize it's not stereo, but I wonder if I get more balance of the keyboards sound from this type of summing, rather than just using a left mono channel.

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughts.
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Re: Allen & Heath zed 10fx users

Postby rushcoil » 12 Nov 2014, 15:09

Thank you SO much for the solution Cornopean.

This has been driving me crazy. I didn't have use of my headphones for a recording I just did and now I can finally listen to the ZED in stereo =)

The song had hard left and right pans so the mix is way off now that I hear it with headphones but whatever =)

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Re: Allen & Heath zed 10fx users

Postby mtier0067 » 02 Dec 2014, 19:40

Well said Al. That's the way to go with that mixer. The push buttons change things around in terms of routing and you need to have a handle on which buttons do what...

I think in response to the questions about running stereo into a mono amp-- unless your mixer is producing a mono signal from a stereo source like an aux mix or something, it sounds way better to give the speaker cab (assuming you have two inputs) both the left and right signals and let it sum them to mono. You can just take the xlr out of the cabinet straight to FOH, no need for a DI unless you only have a 1/4" output.
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Re: Allen & Heath zed 10fx users

Postby miles » 08 Mar 2017, 00:16

Hi guys,
after a bit of study i've found the solution!!!
As said above, the "Listen" button send mono output to the headphones. Record button alone is not a solution cause if you want to monitor your song (example to record a voice on a track with your favourite daw), you record also the base track with the voice line!
The final solution is to press Aux-FX button under USB "Out", then press Record button in "Phone Select", then press Record button on ST2 channel (to hear the song from your daw) and then press Record button on the channel/channels you want to record.
Now you have Stereo monitoring on your headphones, and you can record Only the channel/channels you want; also you have regular Gain and Level control on the ST2 channel!
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