NS2 Organ Horn & Rotary settings
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NS2 Organ Horn & Rotary settings
I am having a hard time hearing the differences between the horn and rotary settings, speeds, accelerations, etc in the Nord Stage 2. Are the differences in settings that subtle? Is there a clear way to better hear them?
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Re: NS2 Organ Horn & Rotary settings
They are not "dramatically different" maybe, but they are different; if you can't hear them clearly, as an alternative you may "see" them: just record the audio a note (best if with a drawbars setting like 008000000, no C/V) played with different settings on your DAW (or a program such as Audacity) and make a visual comparison of the waveforms.
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Re: NS2 Organ Horn & Rotary settings
I agree that they are not that different. I would have expected some more flexibility, specially because we might want to generate weird effects too.
I can only compare this to the Boss RT20 rotary simulator were you get additional feedback from a set of cheesy leds that make everybody ask "what on earth is that?"
I can only compare this to the Boss RT20 rotary simulator were you get additional feedback from a set of cheesy leds that make everybody ask "what on earth is that?"
Re: NS2 Organ Horn & Rotary settings
I'm glad things are moving on, just like we have ditched our heavy old equipment and are now running nords, they will be surpassed too.
In my estimation, Leslie emulations are a huge subject that pretty much all have just scratched. With advances in technology, we'll have it all in due course.
My current thinking behind leslie emulations is to use a cheap, transistor rotary speaker, like a solton or a sharma, or a 9 pin leslie and wire that up to your organ out, you put the nord leslie on Stop and it does the job pretty well.
I used to run a Hammond RT3/C3 and a leslie 145/147 RT3 was an early whitecap and the C3 was a redcap. The leslies were always rough sounding and really grungy. I used to swap the tubes around to get different sounds, I had a set of 6550s which were tube shaped and some which were bottle shaped, the tube shaped ones had a harsher sound, then the ECC82a preamp tube, I had a whole pile of them and no two sounded the same. That's before you start pointing microphones at it.
I know little about how anything modern works, but I assume it essentially adds character to the tonal spectrum as an amplifier and speaker cabinet simulator and then you have the doppler and amplitude "fluctuations". These are either available in mono, or stereo with a fixed mic position. That's what we have so far, I think.
The leslie is so much more than the nord/ventilator/whatever simulations. That's like putting a leslie in the open and pointing some mics at it. It's good but not awesome.
Where the leslie really comes alive is in a room, if you were to take your ears and replace them with microphones (so you could go about modelling the sound using pink noise) you'd note that in addition to the doppler/amplitude signals from the rotor and horn, you had a certain amount of reflections of varied pitch and amplitude complicating things. This is the utter beauty of a rotary speaker.
Take it a step further, room reflectiveness, room size, mic positioning, etc, etc.
I am aware of the difference between a leslie 145 and a 147 (142 and 122) and I imagine the 33H Tall Boy is something totally different as well. It would be fabulous to have these emulations.
Give it time and it will be done.
In the meantime, have a look at Soltons and Sharmas and with the Nord sim on Stop, you'd probably be hard pushed to notice the difference between that and a proper valve leslie. (note that some of the leslie clones have non-counter rotating rotors - this makes them sound rubbish, so you need a longer belt and "8" it. )
In my estimation, Leslie emulations are a huge subject that pretty much all have just scratched. With advances in technology, we'll have it all in due course.
My current thinking behind leslie emulations is to use a cheap, transistor rotary speaker, like a solton or a sharma, or a 9 pin leslie and wire that up to your organ out, you put the nord leslie on Stop and it does the job pretty well.
I used to run a Hammond RT3/C3 and a leslie 145/147 RT3 was an early whitecap and the C3 was a redcap. The leslies were always rough sounding and really grungy. I used to swap the tubes around to get different sounds, I had a set of 6550s which were tube shaped and some which were bottle shaped, the tube shaped ones had a harsher sound, then the ECC82a preamp tube, I had a whole pile of them and no two sounded the same. That's before you start pointing microphones at it.
I know little about how anything modern works, but I assume it essentially adds character to the tonal spectrum as an amplifier and speaker cabinet simulator and then you have the doppler and amplitude "fluctuations". These are either available in mono, or stereo with a fixed mic position. That's what we have so far, I think.
The leslie is so much more than the nord/ventilator/whatever simulations. That's like putting a leslie in the open and pointing some mics at it. It's good but not awesome.
Where the leslie really comes alive is in a room, if you were to take your ears and replace them with microphones (so you could go about modelling the sound using pink noise) you'd note that in addition to the doppler/amplitude signals from the rotor and horn, you had a certain amount of reflections of varied pitch and amplitude complicating things. This is the utter beauty of a rotary speaker.
Take it a step further, room reflectiveness, room size, mic positioning, etc, etc.
I am aware of the difference between a leslie 145 and a 147 (142 and 122) and I imagine the 33H Tall Boy is something totally different as well. It would be fabulous to have these emulations.
Give it time and it will be done.
In the meantime, have a look at Soltons and Sharmas and with the Nord sim on Stop, you'd probably be hard pushed to notice the difference between that and a proper valve leslie. (note that some of the leslie clones have non-counter rotating rotors - this makes them sound rubbish, so you need a longer belt and "8" it. )