program management and downloading or not

[eric barbier]

Hello everyone de FRANCE.

So I bought myself a Nord Electro 6D.

I did some tests with the original sounds that I reworked then recorded in a completely empty bank, the P.

Then I had fun wanting a new piano sample for example, except that there the Nord sound manager told me that there was a memory problem, and that I had to delete other sounds to have space.

So I voluntarily deleted some original banks in order to save space and there I was able to download the new sound(s) proposed by Nord.

On the other hand, and this is where I want to get to, when I returned to my P bank, the Nord Sound Manager software tells me that I have missing samples, and now, thinking about it, some must surely be in banks that I deleted voluntarily to make room.

I wrongly thought that by making a backup of my P bank on a USB key, I would find everything, but no.

Morality, when we worked on these sounds, it came down to saying that we shouldn't bother wanting new ones, because we'll have to make room and therefore end up with the problem I mentioned.

So my question for you who are used to it, how do you do concerning your sound banks, and the fact of loading and unloading via the nord sound manager it may damage the memory of the device in the long run.

Thanks to all for your feedback

cordially Eric (france)

[cphollis]

Hello, and welcome to the forum!

All Nords have user-definable programs. That means you decide what sounds are in the instrument. You are expected to change things. The factory presets are more examples of what can be done vs. something you'd actually use live.

If you delete a sample (e.g. White Piano), all programs that reference the sound will say 'sample not found". If this happens, you can relink to another piano sample (e.g. Silver Grand) or recover the original from a download.

If you want to recover, the factory set can be easily downloaded from Nord's web site, and individual programs and samples can be extracted and restored as they are in "zip" format.

Once you do this a few times, you'll get a lot more comfortable with the process.

[eric barbier]

Thank you very much for your explanations, I understand the philosophy of Nord a little better.

I wish you happy holidays

Sincerely ERIC

[Gambold]

Two comments about Programs and the "Not found" error message that can appear next to them in Sound Manager.

1) A lot of programs on the Electro, especially B3 programs, have pianos and/or samples associated with them that they DO NOT USE.

Example, on the Nord 6D factory load, the Program D13 is called B3 Lord. This is a B3 set up to sound like Jon Lord's famous over-driven organ. It just uses the B3 part of the Nord. However, the Program also has a Piano and an Orchestra sample associated with it, even though they aren't used. Why? Who knows. It's a weird Nord thing. And if you happen to have removed that particular Piano or Orchestra sample from your Nord, usually to make room for other sounds, your B3 Lord program will show a "not found" error next to it in Sample Manager.

You can ignore this error message since you don't need to link those items to this particular Program. But, you will tire of seeing these errors on the screen, even though they aren't really errors.

2) You may decide to upgrade a Piano sample from Med to Large. When you do this, any Program that had the Med Piano associated with it (whether it actually used it or not, per #1), will now show a "not found" error, because Nord is looking for the EXACT sample, and the Large is not the same as the Med. The way around this is to use the Substitute option when uploading a Piano of a different size. But that's not always convenient either.

What happens is your Program list can fill up with Programs that have "not found" errors, and you'll will get tired of looking at them and finally give in and re-link unused sounds to Programs just so the errors go away. It can all get tedious, and is one of those "Nord things" that you just have to learn to work with.

[FZiegler]

So my question for you who are used to it, how do you do concerning your sound banks, and the fact of loading and unloading via the nord sound manager it may damage the memory of the device in the long run.

If you mean this question in a technical way, I don't have an answer: No idea for how many write cycles the special Nord memory is specified theoretically.

Occasionally there are users on the forum asking what to do with an instrument showing a memory error, but those tend to be really old. And there is no evidence that those with an error would have been changed more frequently than others. You shouldn't practically be worried about changing values, copying programs or writing data for new samples if it's not hundreds of times per day, I'd say.

Or to say it in a different way: You probably paid quite an amount of money for your instrument, but its life cycle isn't eternal. In one or another way. So best to use it the way it is meant to. And what do you think the knobs and buttons are made for? I don't see a technical difference between this and loading programs or sample files. Enjoy!

[cookie]

I don't think there is a way in NSM to filter only the programs with a missing sample IN AN ACTIVE PANEL.
Meaning, those program are indeed affected when played directly, as the sample is lacking. And those should be the ones to be modified (new sample assignment or substitute method).

This also raises my question to Nord to have a "No Piano sample" in slot 1, in order to save space in a bundle where programs don't need the Piano sample.

Fred

[eric barbier]

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Hello and thank you all for all your explanations, it's nice of you to have given me a hand.

I wish you happy holidays and good music to you Eric.