NS3 Horn sample

[MEL868]

Can someone please send me the File Viewer settings for a good sound for these Nord sample library brass? I load them from my samples and hit SHIFT + SOUND INIT in the SYNTH section, to clear the synth settings, then load the sample. I'm just not that good at getting nice clean sounding horns that I need. Instead, they sound like they have a 'white noise' in them or like they're in a box or something. any sample would be helpful as I am in-depth with trying to rebuild some *.nsp2 files and understand the parameters are not an exact match with NS3, so some things work, where I can fix them, some are more troublesome for me, and I need good brass for band.

If you have a clean sounding brass sample, for example, Brass Section Pop 1,2, 3, I would greatly appreciate it - I'm looking to import *.nsmp3 and or *.ns3f with no problem. At this point, I have downloaded several samples and programs via this forum, but finding very few times, they are spot on, tried and true, and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong. I have also tried some Analog Saw samples and finding similar issues. I just want to test this and make sure it's me.

When I get a desired horn, I save it as a synth preset. Again, I clear the sound init before loading it, but seems to me it doesn't always sound like I expect. I'm new to saving synth preset and combining them with samples.

I need to hit my own reset button, I guess. Sorry, I'm frustrated at the moment.

[ericL]

Hi there...check out the Programs I shared for Sledgehammer here. At least one or more of these have some nice layered brass sections. As much as it pains me to emulate horns on a keyboard, these are very good sounds and I believe I sourced them from the Nord Sample library.

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[MEL868]

Thanks, Eric, for the reference - I will check it out after my practice tonight. I was able to get some success on 'Power of Love' program - I agree, it's challenging to get full scale of desired horns.

[ericL]

Thanks, Eric, for the reference - I will check it out after my practice tonight. I was able to get some success on 'Power of Love' program - I agree, it's challenging to get full scale of desired horns.

It's not just a NS3 thing - it's a keyboard thing in general. I spent decades playing in bands with horn sections, and one of my current bands has horns...so I am very much not a fan of trying to copy horns with keyboards. It's just not that great, no matter how good the source sounds might be. I made a rare exception with my '80s tribute band to do Sledgehammer and I am marginally ok with the way those things sound.

Give me live horns 99% of the time!

P.S. Your earlier comment about saving "synth presets" I am pretty sure is just related to things you do with the subtractive synth capabilities and not related to the samples. If you want to be sure the samples get saved, simply add them to your Program and then save it at the Program level. I will also test this out to be sure I'm remembering correctly about the synth preset part.

[MEL868]

Agree, and I try to avoid being the horn and use some other type of synth whenever possible, to bring out some creativity. Side note - a synth preset can be 'added' to another sample, layered, correct? This is how to mix or layer two brass samples in one bank, if I'm correct.

[maxpiano]

Agree, and I try to avoid being the horn and use some other type of synth whenever possible, to bring out some creativity. Side note - a synth preset can be 'added' to another sample, layered, correct? This is how to mix or layer two brass samples in one bank, if I'm correct.

Well actually not; a sample is just a waveform that you can assign to the Synth OSCillator instead of the classical sawtooth, square, sine, FM, Digital etc.. so a sample is (can be) part of a synth preset, not a distinct and layerable element.

If you want to get into creating your own NS3 synth sounds, or simply tweaking existing ones but with rationales, I strongly recommend you to study (and I mean that, not just reading) the manual section about NS3 synth, just a few pages and the little time spent imo will help you greatly in getting a better understanding on how it works and what you can /cannot do with it, to make the process faster and consistent for you.

We will be here to answer your questions if any anything written there will still be not clear for you, or in case of doubts with specific cases applications, of course. .

[MEL868]

GUILTY as charged! Been doing more playing than reading the manual lately, shame on me. Thanks.

[MEL868]

Post script...it's possible something was amiss with my keyboard when I experienced this. I dialed up the horns in one of my programs and it was 'off' = they were not clear, and I was certain I did not save over my program during practice, (although it's always a possibility). I was able to calm down and rebuild my horn sounds for the program, breathe...however, over the next couple of months, I would experience an issue which sent my board into repair.

I owned a stage 2 for years, and it was so reliable and when a few strange things began happening, I shielded the possibility of equipment failure, because of the fear of having to seek repair.

I had a short term commitment with a band and it was extremely stressful to do my work while having to troubleshoot an issue. I hit up the forum during my frustration and really thankful for the support. I've been fortunate to be able to get quick responses from the forum and rely heavily on it when needed. Please refer to my other post which refers to the malfunction of my 'Program Up/Dn Pedal' jack. Thanks.

nord-stage-forum-f3/boss-fs-7-prog-up-d ... 22026.html

[wtibbit]

Addressing the replies here about sampled horn sounds on a keyboard vs live horns, I agree; nothing sounds from a keyboard as good as a live horn or horn section. I have found what I think is the best, most natural and "live" sound you can get from a keyboard - and it's 25+ year old technology: Yamaha's VL70m or the equivalent PLG150-VL plug-in board in a compatible Yamaha synth (mine is a Motif Rack es. Add a breath controller to this and play it like a brass or reed player would play their instruments and you might have a audience member come up to you during a break - like I did - and get upset that they can't talk to "your sax man". It has limitations, of course, it's monophonic, just like the real thing. This means you can't use it to replicate a horn section. And you can make it honk and squeak and sound bad, just like the real thing. This is because it's not a sample player synth. It's analog and generates the acoustic sound by calculating the instantaneous waveform based on the ASDR signal from the breath controller, so no two notes will ever sound exactly the same. Add pitch bend, some wave parameter changes with a mode wheel or pedal, and aftertouch for vibrato and it's amazing.

[MEL868]

I concur with sounds of vintage technology and I favor the brass on the MODX's, but all in all I'm quite content with what I've been able to pull up with just my compacts. Just one keyboard, compact and keeping it simple. The problem is, seems a growing trend from the last few bands I've attended where as soon as I arrived, they instantly fire the real horn and sax section, (like puff-we don't need them anymore). And other bands without horns feel they want me because their life-long dreams of having a horn section has arrived (I feel like a monkey machine). And, for the most, they're so undeserving! I'm picking my battles. Today, I'm the brass, strings and special effects.