Mirroring Outputs on NS3

[Fallboard]

Is it possible to clone outputs 1-2 on 3-4? My new amp lacks stereo out passthrough and I'd really rather not have to add a little mixer to my gig bag so I was wondering if I can just make 1-2 and 3-4 be the same so I can still go directly to my friend's interface during our practice sessions as usual. Also, dumb question, but is 1 and 2 L and R, respectively?

[MrTobbe]

Is it possible to clone outputs 1-2 on 3-4?

No, I'm pretty sure you can't do that, unfortunatly... but you could use the headphone out for either the audio interface or the amp. It just takes a standard insert cable, with a stereo plug to two mono plugs. The headphone out carries the 1-2 audio channels as well, and I don't think you will have any problems with impedance or signal level, when using the headphone out to either the amp, or the audio interface.

Also, dumb question, but is 1 and 2 L and R, respectively?

Yes! 1 = L and 2 = R - at least that is the way I always connect my Stage...

I can't figure out for my life, why Clavia don't label the outputs L and R as well, but they probably have some strange reason for that...

Somewhere in the sounds section of this forum, someone has made a sample called left-right, which is pretty handy to have when you're unsure the audio chain is correctly connected all the way. It simply is a female voice saying left and right in the respective channel - wonderful idea! But well... it will probably be a couple of more weeks before we can load that sample into our Stage 3s....

[Jo Osantos1]

Is it possible to clone outputs 1-2 on 3-4? My new amp lacks stereo out passthrough and I'd really rather not have to add a little mixer to my gig bag so I was wondering if I can just make 1-2 and 3-4 be the same so I can still go directly to my friend's interface during our practice sessions as usual. Also, dumb question, but is 1 and 2 L and R, respectively?

What do you mean by clone? You mean all outputs with the same "sound".
Yes it is possible, i have done that on my NS3C

[baekgaard]

Is it possible to clone outputs 1-2 on 3-4? My new amp lacks stereo out passthrough and I'd really rather not have to add a little mixer to my gig bag so I was wondering if I can just make 1-2 and 3-4 be the same so I can still go directly to my friend's interface during our practice sessions as usual. Also, dumb question, but is 1 and 2 L and R, respectively?

What do you mean by clone? You mean all outputs with the same "sound".
Yes it is possible, i have done that on my NS3C

@Jo Osantos: Isn't it so that the rotary output is only routed to outputs 1 and 2? Possibly there are other differences too, but at least that one I seem to remember is a difference.

[MrTobbe]

Is it possible to clone outputs 1-2 on 3-4? My new amp lacks stereo out passthrough and I'd really rather not have to add a little mixer to my gig bag so I was wondering if I can just make 1-2 and 3-4 be the same so I can still go directly to my friend's interface during our practice sessions as usual. Also, dumb question, but is 1 and 2 L and R, respectively?

What do you mean by clone? You mean all outputs with the same "sound".
Yes it is possible, i have done that on my NS3C

I still don't think you can route one or all sounds to all four outputs at the simultaneously.
EDIT:Yes, you actually can, as long as the sound(s) is not routed through the Rotary, which is "hard-wired" to outputs 1-2.

This is what the latest version of the Stage 3 user manual says (version 1.2x|edition D):

6 - OUTPUT PANEL A/B
Output Routing settings below are made independently for each panel.
Use the Panel A and B buttons respectively for switching between them.

MAIN
This allows for setting which stereo output pair or mono output to use
for each panel.

Range: Stereo 1-2 (Default), 3-4, 3, 4

* Sounds using the Rotary effect are always routed to outputs 1-2,
regardless of Output Routing settings.

EDIT: there's actually also a fifth alternative here, that's not in the manual. It should be:

Range: Stereo 1-2 (Default), 3-4, 3, 4, 1-4

SUB
Within each panel one sound engine (Organ, Piano or Synth) can be
routed independently of the Main output for that panel. This can be useful
for routing electric piano sounds to a guitar amplifier or organ sounds
to an external rotary speaker – or for any other scenario where sounds
of different types should be handled on separate outputs.

The physical output for the selected sound engine is set by the Dest
(Destination) setting – see below.

Range: Off (Default), Org, Pno, Syn

DEST
The Dest (Destination) setting determines to which output(s) the sound
engine selected for the Sub setting is routed.
Range: 1-2, 3-4, 3, 4

* Note that the Reverb and Compressor effects are only present on
the Main outputs selected for a panel.

EDIT: Again, the Range should be: 1-2, 3-4, 3, 4, 1-4

So first of all, as Baekgaard was saying, there will be differences in sound: reverb and compressor will always come from the stereo outs 1 & 2 only,and never from 3 and/or 4, and the same goes for the rotary effect - it will never be heard from out 3 or 4. So any B3/Leslie type sound routed to output 3 & 4 will be without Leslie sim, or if the organ is routed to the rotary, it will only be heard through the rotary effect on out 1-2, no 3-4, and any sounds routed through 3 and/or 4 will be without reverb and compressor.

Then the next problem: I see no way at all to route any single sound sound to all 4 outputs at the same time. Nowhere in the section from the manual above is there a choice for 1-2 and 3-4, it's 1-2 or 3-4 or 3 or 4. At least that is how i interpret the manual - and I have never achieved output of the same sound on all four outputs either, not with my Stage 2, nor with the Stage 3.
EDIT:Well, my interpretation of the manual was right, but the manual wrong... it was missing the fifth option "1-4", which turns the 3-4 to a clone of 1-2, with the exception of the Rotary, and any sound routed through the Rotary - it will not be heard from output 3-4

The only way to a the same (or similar at least) sound on all four output is to make panel A a copy of panel B, or vice versa. Then route one panel to outputs 1-2, and the other panel 3-4, but then you also have to live with being without reverb, compression and rotary...

[MrTobbe]

I found one possible problem with using the headphone out as a copy of out 1-2.

Here's another quote from the manual:

HEADPHONES
1/4 inch stereo headphone jack. Audio is always output through the
Headphones output, regardless of Output Routing settings.

I'm guessing that this means that all sounds, regardless if they're routed to 3 and/or 4, or 1 and 2, they will always be heard through the headphone out. So, if you for some reason want to send one or more sound(s) within your program, to 3 and/or 4, it will also be heard through the headphone out. Interesting, I did not know this.

[Jo Osantos1]

Is it possible to clone outputs 1-2 on 3-4? My new amp lacks stereo out passthrough and I'd really rather not have to add a little mixer to my gig bag so I was wondering if I can just make 1-2 and 3-4 be the same so I can still go directly to my friend's interface during our practice sessions as usual. Also, dumb question, but is 1 and 2 L and R, respectively?

What do you mean by clone? You mean all outputs with the same "sound".
Yes it is possible, i have done that on my NS3C

I still don't think you can route one or all sounds to all four outputs at the simultaneously.

This is what the latest version of the Stage 3 user manual says (version 1.2x|edition D):

6 - OUTPUT PANEL A/B
Output Routing settings below are made independently for each panel.
Use the Panel A and B buttons respectively for switching between them.

MAIN
This allows for setting which stereo output pair or mono output to use
for each panel.

Range: Stereo 1-2 (Default), 3-4, 3, 4

* Sounds using the Rotary effect are always routed to outputs 1-2,
regardless of Output Routing settings.

SUB
Within each panel one sound engine (Organ, Piano or Synth) can be
routed independently of the Main output for that panel. This can be useful
for routing electric piano sounds to a guitar amplifier or organ sounds
to an external rotary speaker – or for any other scenario where sounds
of different types should be handled on separate outputs.

The physical output for the selected sound engine is set by the Dest
(Destination) setting – see below.

Range: Off (Default), Org, Pno, Syn

DEST
The Dest (Destination) setting determines to which output(s) the sound
engine selected for the Sub setting is routed.
Range: 1-2, 3-4, 3, 4”

* Note that the Reverb and Compressor effects are only present on
the Main outputs selected for a panel.

So first of all, as Baekgaard was saying, there will be differences in sound: reverb and compressor will always come from the stereo outs 1 & 2 only, and never from 3 and/or 4, and the same goes for the rotary effect - it will never be heard from out 3 or 4. So any B3/Leslie type sound routed to output 3 & 4 will be without Leslie sim, or if the organ is routed to the rotary, it will only be heard through the rotary effect on out 1-2, no 3-4, and any sounds routed through 3 and/or 4 will be without reverb and compressor.

Then the next problem: I see no way at all to route any single sound sound to all 4 outputs at the same time. Nowhere in the section from the manual above is there a choice for 1-2 and 3-4, it's 1-2 or 3-4 or 3 or 4. At least that is how i interpret the manual - and I have never achieved output of the same on all four outputs either, not with my Stage 2, nor with the Stage 3.

The only way to a the same (or similar at least) sound on all four output is to make panel A a copy of panel B, or vice versa. Then route one panel to outputs 1-2, and the other panel 3-4, but then you also have to live with being without reverb, compression and rotary...

Whats the point of not being able to heard the same sound from the 4 outputs?

I have only tested with Piano sound... and i do have the same sound to get out from the 4 outputs

[Fallboard]

This kind of sucks. I was hoping there was a mode where you could just have 3-4 be the same as 1-2

I mean, I can't be the only guy who would like to have one set of stereo outputs going to his amp and the other going to the mixer/DAW.

[cgrafx]

This kind of sucks. I was hoping there was a mode where you could just have 3-4 be the same as 1-2

I mean, I can't be the only guy who would like to have one set of stereo outputs going to his amp and the other going to the mixer/DAW.

And there are any number of ways to accomplish exactly that.

1. Direct boxes (which pretty much all come with through connections)
2. output 1&2 to your DAW and headphone out to your amp
3. mixer output back to your amp
4. Amp connection back to your mixer (many amps have additional outs, particularly if they are keyboard amps)
5. submixer with outputs to both the mixer/DAW and your amp

[baekgaard]

@Jo Osantos1: It's probably a (hardware) limitation of some kind.

And if you need to send the same to multiple places, the options cgrafx lists are all possible, and would likely be the ways I would do it anyway.