Got my Nord Stage B-Stock but the wheel is dead

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Re: Got my Nord Stage B-Stock but the wheel is dead

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davlippo7 wrote: 31 Oct 2025, 06:22 Yes that's them American Music & Sound he's the manager and essentially nothing to do with Nord besides handle such problems and not well.

Could be that if the gear is that good in most cases and then when something unusual happens they assume they are being scammed and so they have no idea how to respond (except very legalistically) but we know they are swimming in money so to be so stingy and greedy is very sad.

There's no bending over backwards to show love for customers or going the extra mile it's just do as we say and that's it. That's very poor customer service and proves they don't care about customers. My posts should be raving over their exceptionalism except there isn't any.

It's just how I feel, obviously Nord users who never had an issue don't relate whatsoever.

There's no Nord accommodations, no gratefulness shown, no embarrassment or remorse, no sincere apologies etc. and it was ironic because they sort of ask me "what will it take" and I made some reasonable suggestions and all they said was NO!, do as I tell you. So why ask me what will it take if all you know you are going to do is send me another "B-Stock" with no idea what's wrong with it after mine has been returned. No that's BS!

The acting as if they were being nice was superficial and narcissistic I never bought it from the US Nord rep. You should accommodate and compromise simple as that. The days of the customer being right are long gone companies think they are Gods but not all of them.

I'm a business owner and engineer and several times I produced a final set of plans and the client said "I want a refund". The work was already done and I gave them a refund and they already had the product in hand. That's how it goes and that's how it's done right no matter how much I didn't like it. I wasn't asking for a free keyboard but new would be nice and fair without me worrying about the condition of it. It costs Nord a few pennies and we all know it. Nothing to it whatsoever just do the right thing.

They have the records on this unit and who knows the (1) designated repair guy could also be covering his own ass saying I didn't do that. Not like they would ever tell or admit it either way. I agree something so trivial could have been instantly resolved in seconds but they refused to my offer. I even offered to simply receive their Triple Pedal 2 which lists for $400 but we all know that costs Nord about $40 to manufacture. It's a MIDI pedal. The ass said no he couldn't do that either. What a moron. He's giving Nord a great big black eye and he doesn't even work for Nord it's some American Music & Sound company he manages. I reached out to Nord overseas so we'll see what happens.

Corporate Nord might be a smaller company but I've seen Nords all over the planet in mass quantities. They aren't hard up for work and if I can refund in my business living paycheck to paycheck and lose thousands and still survive this jerk can accommodate easily but doesn't want to. I'm just a little nobody but at least I can tell my story on forums. Should someone single person representing all of the US be calling the shots for Nord who doesn't even work for them?
Sorry, your story is not adding up.

First, you won't answer a simple question -- WHERE did you purchase the unit? The actual seller is never mentioned in any of your extended posts, making me suspicious that you don't want to share that information.

Almost 100% of all Nord keyboards are sold through authorized retailers. They are your FIRST LINE OF CONTACT if you are unhappy with your purchase -- you simply return the keyboard for refund and/or exchange. This includes *ALL* B-stock.

But you didn't return the unit. I have to assume you did NOT get it through an authorized retailer, so you couldn't return it.

Instead, you decided to start banging on Nord and their distributors to see if you could get something that way, knowing full well that Nord isn't responsible for unauthorized repairs.

When that didn't work out, you came here to repeatedly sound off here on this otherwise music-centric forum. Read the room -- we're all musicians who play Nord keyboards and are quite happy with the company and its products.

Nord and AMS would be well within their rights to tell you to get lost if you've somehow acquired a grey market (or black market) keyboard. They are certainly not responsible for the crappy repair job you experienced, unless they did it themselves.

And they certainly don't deserve the grief you're giving them.
I think I have gear issues ....
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Re: Got my Nord Stage B-Stock but the wheel is dead

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I didn't tell the dealer for a reason because I don't really want to bring them into this they just sell gear like any dealer. I have an authorized largest Nord dealer as they advertise from which I purchased it from here in the US. I don't know if they are the largest Nord dealer but that's what they claim.

I can return it but that dealer sent my information to the AM guy he told me directly he's the guy for all of America and there's are no service centers except his one repair guy who does all Nord "official" internal repairs. Call him yourself and ask him.

There might be general service centers after the warranty expires etc. but I just took him at his word. USA probably works differently than other places around the world.
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This brings up the question that if you never have an issue then how do you know the service is good?

You don't, you only assume because it works Nord is great.

I'm new to Nord so I have no past experiences but 40 years with some other companies. Being that they are far from here in the US and it's just a business I'm glad most don't need help. I bought a Ketron Event from Italy I mentioned and the led strip went out and the rep had it here in a reasonable time period. Some situation only (1) rep for all of America and almost zero service centers.

Think about that for a minuet that if Nord hardly ever has an issue how much more they should have stock piled to instantly help because no money was being expended on repairs and returns etc. Why would Nord opt. for negative feedback and complaints when they have the resources to respond appropriately?

Do they have a lot of repairs and problems? Only this forum would know I haven't searched or researched it yet. I do not believe this is like Ketron who might be big overseas but nobody knows about them here in the US. It's an arranger which isn't popular here. Stage keyboards are however. All Nord is capable of handling is this one American Music manager to properly address all of America and every possible situation? That sounds irresponsible considering how many products are here and in use and being sold.

I'm sure someone is watching the "views" tally on my posts and if it reaches 100,000 + they might start caring but if it only reaches 1,000 nobody will care. So I'll keep writing about it until someone does care or someone at Nord reads it and reaches out besides the AM guy. I really don't think he's qualified to address these situations adequately or appropriately. Hopefully I'll be helping someone else not end up where I did.
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Re: Got my Nord Stage B-Stock but the wheel is dead

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Duplicate not sure why the moderator has to review everything posted or word change. I've been on Yamaha Musician's forum for many years never had a moderator review a post with every single phase or word change extremely annoying. We're not children here. Why not just wait for someone to report it as a problem instead of automatically blocking it? Now I will compliment Yamaha Musician's forum because you can roast Yamaha and they don't care or censor it not sure if this forum is supported by Nord or is free and open.
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There is no moerator approaval required. Only the first 1-3 posts in teh first I think 1 or 2 days of registering in certain cases, not our discretion and from then no more apporval required of course.
davlippo7 wrote: 31 Oct 2025, 16:59 Duplicate not sure why the moderator has to review everything posted or word change. I've been on Yamaha Musician's forum for many years never had a moderator review a post with every single phase or word change extremely annoying. We're not children here. Why not just wait for someone to report it as a problem instead of automatically blocking it? Now I will compliment Yamaha Musician's forum because you can roast Yamaha and they don't care or censor it not sure if this forum is supported by Nord or is free and open.
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davlippo7 wrote: 31 Oct 2025, 16:55 I didn't tell the dealer for a reason because I don't really want to bring them into this they just sell gear like any dealer.
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I can return it but that dealer sent my information to the AM guy
Okay, that's confusing... You didn't tell the dealer, but the dealer sent your info to AM? How/why did the dealer send your info to AM&S if you never told the dealer about the issue in the first place? I'm obviously missing something here.

But regardless, your first point of contact for issues should be the dealer you bought it from. They may be able to address the issue themselves (e.g. via return/refund, replacement if another b-stock is available, or a credit to keep it, options which would cover what most people would want), or if for some reason the issue needs to be escalated, they can try to get an accommodation from AM&S on your behalf. They have more pull with AM&S than you do. (Especially if they are indeed the largest Nord dealer.) AM&S primarily services the dealers; the dealers are the ones who primarily service the consumers.
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Re: Got my Nord Stage B-Stock but the wheel is dead

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Yes of course the only contact I had originally was the dealer and even before I discovered the solution and had long conversations about the wheel not working. The dealers MO apparently is to then inform this AM rep of my issues and the AM rep emailed me after the dealer gave him my information.

One aggravating thing with the sales guy at the dealer (he might not actually know anything about synths I got the impression or might be new etc. but they sell other gear also), he kept telling me it's a complex board, go read the manual and watch YouTube, it's user error all of which was BS because obviously if he knew anything whatsoever about a synth is that the wheel should function literally out of the box without any special skill set.

So there was some laziness dealing with him blaming the issue on my misunderstanding of how a mod wheel works on a synth. Neither of these guys were very competent IMO but at least the sales guy realistically might not know anything about a Nord but then should he be selling them? I think he's just answering customers calls and questions and isn't required to understand the products so I choose not to include him and the store in the conversation.

The real issue was the "Nord rep" who isn't really a Nord rep he's a manager of AM&S getting subcontracted by Nord so that Nord doesn't have to deal with customer problems. He's the middle man and he might not know anything about synths either. It's a screwed up system. I hope it works better in other countries. His favorite thing to claim was that my replacement would be Q&A inspected but then so was the one I have now so what's the difference?

I questioned him if he was going to personally look inside and personally inspect my unit and send photos of the flaws and make sure the inside wasn't missing parts or wires soldered or unplugged and all he would say is it will be Q&A'd. So his answer was no he wasn't going to do anything. He's just going to yell at someone else probably that "one official authorized Nord repair guy" to make sure it good but who knows with these people?

When people promise stuff and they sound insincere or just sorry we got caught and demand you do as they command that's BS. I paid $4,000 for this item and other owners have paid even more for them. They should be begging me to accept a new one and send me a return label for this one if they were honest, sincere, ethical, remorseful and loved their customers wanting them satisfied and happy. It wouldn't even put a dent in their profits but mine they should sell as "Refurbished" if they are being honest with customers.

I somehow very seriously doubt I'm the only one because he said their repairs were a lot which implies they are repairing many by hand and selling as "B-Stock" when they are actually "Refurbished". They are simply lying as it appears to me. Does Nord know they are lying just to recoup as much as possible? Even if $4,000 is a fair refurbished price it's the fact they are hiding this fact from customers. Generally the posted definition for "B-Stock" are scuffs, dents, scratches or exterior only issues I've never seen internal repairs and hand soldering and missing parts classified as "B-Stock".
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davlippo7 wrote: 31 Oct 2025, 21:02 he kept telling me it's a complex board, go read the manual and watch YouTube, it's user error all of which was BS because obviously if he knew anything whatsoever about a synth is that the wheel should function literally out of the box without any special skill set.
It depends. The wheel on the Nord will do nothing at all unless it's been programmed to do something.

So, if you're evaluating based on factory presets, you need to look at this light on the panel:

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and here:

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If neither one of those lights is illuminated, the wheel will do nothing on that patch. That's probably the case for at least half the factory patches.

If you're creating your own patch, again, the wheel will do nothing, until you assign it so as to see one of those two lights illuminated.
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Re: Got my Nord Stage B-Stock but the wheel is dead

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Yes those were the first things I tested including all the patches that literally have "WHL" in the patch title. I knew at that point it wasn't working. That's when I decided to look inside and found the pins bent over at 90 degrees and the harness dangling in midair. I updated the OS before that in case someone had disabled the wheel from the system menu at that point I didn't know how deep it went or if that was a possibility.

But again I'm a 57 year old professional engineer and own my engineering company so I'm not a kid and I've disassembled hundreds of synths mostly Yamaha SY77 & 99s as a side business restoring vintage gear. I have these synths next to me in my office: Ketron Event Real Arranger, Korg PA5x, Oberheim TEO-5, Korg WaveState SE, Yamaha Montage M8x, BC Deckard's Dream, (3) Akai AX60s, (2) Casio CZ-1s, Yamaha SeqkTrak, Arturia PolyBrute12, sold my (2) Moog Muses recently, sold my Roland Fantom & Yamaha YC73, Groove Synthesis 3rd Wave and more most are on my YouTube channel playing some of these search "davlippo7" if you want to check me out. I understand people assume everyone is a scammer these days and I'm being investigated which is fine.

So would I have any reason to scam or make up false claims about one Nord Stage keyboard when I'm loaded with keyboards and the answer is absolutely not. It's the principle of the matter and respect for customers that Nord doesn't care about. I still suspect there are many more of these floating around and someone had posted that the harness coming detached on the pitch bend was a known issue yet this guy never mentioned that as if he'd never heard of it. Yeah, he's lying about more than a few things. His story is what doesn't add up. I have no skin in the Nord game but he has a lot he being paid money for a living I assume. They know the history of this unit and are trying to cover their tracks but more are out there just be aware
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