After triple pedal How many more pedals?

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Re: After triple pedal How many more pedals?

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I do think you're right. Thank you.

Is Nord missing a trick here?

I accept that these pedals have springs, and this makes their behaviour different to a regular expression/swell pedal. But sometimes we all want a throbbing sound. Vibrato would be a prime example, but there are many morph candidates that would be acoustically fun -tremolo for example. I play winds. The ability to hand craft your vibrato is particularly key in crafting a sound with personal identity. This is what all MIDI horns sound such rubbish.

After sleeping on things, I think two pedals is the best minimal way, at least to begin with, bed in with the board and then add if you really must. As the Swell is available to the expression pedal, no need for a swell pedal except in one circumstance. If you layer a piano and an organ with Leslie and wish to switch it, the piano sustain will be effected.

At present I am more into crafting Rhodes sounds. Never been a layered or synthy guy.


I am currently listing my way through the Rhodes Patches. Huge fan of the Stockholm Rhodes i'ts so playable.

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Re: After triple pedal How many more pedals?

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ZeroZero wrote: 10 Dec 2024, 10:21 After sleeping on things, I think two pedals is the best minimal way, at least to begin with, bed in with the board and then add if you really must. As the Swell is available to the expression pedal, no need for a swell pedal except in one circumstance. If you layer a piano and an organ with Leslie and wish to switch it, the piano sustain will be effected.
You are confusing Swell pedal with Rotary switch here, if you want to control the rotary (Leslie sim) independently you can assign the Sustain pedal to Sustain function only and connect a separate switch pedal to Rotary input.

PS: I think you need to read NS4 manual, all of it, carefully and slowly and testing what your read while you read it.
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Re: After triple pedal How many more pedals?

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maxpiano wrote: 10 Dec 2024, 10:45
ZeroZero wrote: 10 Dec 2024, 10:21 After sleeping on things, I think two pedals is the best minimal way, at least to begin with, bed in with the board and then add if you really must. As the Swell is available to the expression pedal, no need for a swell pedal except in one circumstance. If you layer a piano and an organ with Leslie and wish to switch it, the piano sustain will be effected.
You are confusing Swell pedal with Rotary switch here, if you want to control the rotary (Leslie sim) independently you can assign the Sustain pedal to Sustain function only and connect a separate switch pedal to Rotary input.

PS: I think you need to read NS4 manual, all of it, carefully and slowly and testing what your read while you read it.
No. I probably could have been clearer though. I was talking exclusively a two pedal situation - Control and Sus - no swell input. The Leslie fast/slow can be routed to the Sustain pedal. If you have only a sus pedal in the sus socket, and an expression pedal in the Control Socket (nothing in the Swell Socket). You can control a Hammond & Leslie layer. If you switch to piano only layer and only want a sus pedal, (usual), then this also works, as you don't require any expression control. But when you combine both layers in a patch the sus pedal has two functions. It changes the Leslie at the same time as applying sustain top the piano - not good "odd".

I read the manual BTW a few times. My trouble has been that I got so seduced by The Stockholm Sound that I just played that, for months, even gave up piano. I did not need to delve deep and hence never used a dial or a setting. Now I am expanding and deep diving, clarifying and testing as you said. Thanks for your input

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Re: After triple pedal How many more pedals?

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OK, clearer: if you want to stay on 2 pedals only then the solution is: assign Sustain pedal to Sustain function only (not Sus+Rot) and control Leslie slow/fast from the panel switch (as you'd do on a real Hammond using its Half Moon) or... buy a Nord Half Moon, if compatible with your model.

PS: of course with Triple Pedal you may assign one of its pedals to Rotary, but I guess you are excluding this scenario
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There are a couple of options that can apply to the sustain pedal that boggle me, as a split or layered configuration of B3 and piano/Rhodes is my bread and butter. These are “ Sus+Rotor Hold, Sus+Rotor Toggle”. Anybody ever use these? I must have a third pedal in addition to control and sustain in my circumstance…
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Sus Hold holds the fast rotor until let go, sus toggle switches the rotor on then onh second press turns it off
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Re: After triple pedal How many more pedals?

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is there any documentation of how the Triple Pedal Din Jack on the back panel is wired?

I am exploring the idea of a three button panel to connect instead of footswitches

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Re: After triple pedal How many more pedals?

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Mr. Marko wrote: 17 Dec 2024, 04:31 is there any documentation of how the Triple Pedal Din Jack on the back panel is wired?

I am exploring the idea of a three button panel to connect instead of footswitches

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NTP2 is a rewired Kawai GFP3 which implements optical reading on all 3 pedals (not even resistors/pots, even if finally optical reading will also result in a continuously variable voltage at the pins, but in any case replacing a NTP2 with switches is not OK).

If you want to create a DIY panel with switches to be used as controllers, it is much easier to implement this as a MIDI controller, programming it to generate the required MIDI CCs and connecting it to NS4 MIDI IN (easy to do with an Arduino or other DYI platforms)
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