Stage 4 Aftertouch

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Re: Stage 4 Aftertouch

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cphollis wrote:Aftertouch on the NS4 is implemented with a pressure strip under the keybed, so it's unlikely a "software fix" is coming.
Hm... They "only" :) need to change the multiplier of the value that is generated by the strip. In digital synths that should be trivially simple and I would not be surprised at all if the multiplier operation is already implemented.
As for a GUI, it could be added via the system menu, like many other settings: soft, medium, herculean AT.
It is a real shame to have a function implemented but that barely works... specially when the market is full of really interesting controllers with polyphonic AT and much more.
If it serves of any consolation, the NS2 also has an extremely hard AT.
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Re: Stage 4 Aftertouch

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Is there a way to measure how much pressure do you find acceptable? I will try to post a video with something that shows it. Believe me, after playing a solo with aftertouch (no chords, single notes), using it for triggering vibrato, my fingers really hurts. :roll:
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Re: Stage 4 Aftertouch

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It does take a fair amount of pressure to trigger the AT on my NS4C. I wouldn't try invoking it from a flat-fingered hand position, better if you raise your body a bit an lean into it.
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Re: Stage 4 Aftertouch

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AT on Nord's HA keybeds is notoriously VERY hard to use.
Conversely, the unweighted keybeds are very comfortable and natural. I'm a happy aftertouch user on a Nord Wave, Nord Lead 3 and Nord Stage 2EX Compact.
On my old NS2HA88, I agree that AT was not so comfortable and precise to use, it required so much strength that it was basically an on/off switch, unsuitable for precise adjustments.
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Re: Stage 4 Aftertouch

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Yes.

My NS2 76 HA had the worst of both worlds: a spongy, rubbery feel to the piano keys, as well as taking an inordinate amount of pressure to trigger the AT. I ended up selling it.

The AT on the NS3C and NS4C is much more pleasant and usable.

The whole idea of AT on a weighted piano-like keybed escapes me. I hit the piano keys hard to get a certain sound, and AT just gets in the way of that.
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I bought some gram weights to measure the downweight of my keyboards. No change they are heavy enough to activate the AF on my NS4C. Always wondered who the h…. Is strong enough to use the AF in a musical context, not me.
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Re: Stage 4 Aftertouch

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cphollis wrote: 20 Feb 2024, 14:47 Aftertouch on the NS4 is implemented with a pressure strip under the keybed, so it's unlikely a "software fix" is coming.
It is actually two strips, one for the black and one for the white keys.
cphollis wrote: 20 Feb 2024, 14:47
If the strip is firm as it is on the NS4, it takes some finger pressure to fire it off. So AT implementation will always be a tradeoff.

I find the NS4 AT implementation quite usable. However, I've got fiercely strong piano hands.
I also find the white keys usable, but as thread starter noted, black notes are just so stiff, that I fear I'm going to bend the keyboard. Especially when on chords, when your both arms pressure rest on more notes, say an F# chord, with full blacks, it is really hard to fire it off, and after firing it is uncontrollable, as someone already said, like an ON/OFF switch. Like you cannot just halfway open a filter with it in a controlled way. Even on one black key I need 3 justaposed fingers and the thumbs underneath the keyboard to be strong enough to control it in some way. It is just bad.
Nowhere near accidentally actuating it on the white keys either, but the black strip (on my unit) is just unusable. However I went in the store, where I bought it (it's an official vendor in Budapest), and the exposed unit in the store didn't have the issue. There was maybe some slight difference between blacks and whites, but still usable, nowhere that harsh a difference as my unit has.

It bothers me, because this renders one of the three MORPH (CtrlPed,Wheel, AT) unusable, and it is not just a side feature of the keyboard. Also for this kind of money it should work flawlessly (especially, as someone said, in a world with poly AT midi keyboards, wich are much cheaper).

I don't know if the fault is Clavias QC issue, or the keybed manufacturers (Fatar), maybe the latter, cos guess keybeds come assembled.
But the problem is there anyway, and it is annoyingly bad, and turns out it is even inconsistent between boards - which is pretty wild, since how could one buy one from an online store peacefully, if this part is lottery.

I'd like mine to be replaced, or serviced by the vendor. Have no clue how that can happen, maybe these strips are just different batches, who knows if there is a solution at all.

Will come back with news eventually.
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Re: Stage 4 Aftertouch

Post by taxman »

The keyboard with aftertouch that was best to play is that of the virus TI 61. In my opinion, everyone else can't get it. I don't use the one of the Nord Stage 4. There are plenty of other play aids for modulation.
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