Alternative to the Laptop Method?

[anotherscott]

Apple explicitly never provided a driver architecture for third parties to expand system functionality, for simplicity and security reasons. So either you coded support for your hardware into the app (like various third-party external storage solutions did), or you were stuck with whatever iOS/iPadOS supported out of the box.

Apple does not permit installation of third-party drivers, as you explain. Could one build one's own driver into one's own app, within Apple's various requirements of what a developer may or may not do? Maybe. But Nord apps don't work that way... even on a Mac or PC, they depend on the OS drivers, Nord does not write their own. And as we know from the old days, when keyboards came with their own drivers to work on a Mac or PC (before USB MIDI class compliance was really a thing), those drivers ultimately stopped working when the OS itself was upgraded. So I'd say it's not a good way to go, even IF Nord has the expertise to write their own iOS drivers into their app, and have it do what they need without breaking Apple's rules.

There is no technical reason on Apple's side why Nord couldn't have built a librarian/sample editor for iPad the way other vendors already have.

Is there any vendor that allows you to transfer samples directly from an iPad to their keyboard? That's what we're talking about doing here, and I'm not aware of any such board.

I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that every iOS app that communicates with a keyboard does it strictly through the class compliant drivers, and so all data manipulation is limited to MIDI commands (which can include sysex). No manipulation/transfer of data files, AFAIK.

[analogika]

Hmm. You make sense.

[monsterjazzlicks]

...loading time can be shorter if you have common piano and synth samples across backups (NSM will cache them and not reload them during Restore, if already present on the keyboard), but you talk about a "completely different" set so, as suggested by WannitBBBad, it is better to test the total restore process duration at home first.

Hi Max,

I think I have two different Piano Section set-ups, definitely no more than that. I remember being very selective when designing this particular aspect (ie. keeping under 1GB). It actually does not matter which Piano Section I load, either will do the job.

I would be loading a 'Back-up' on and not a 'Bundle'.

Cheers.

[monsterjazzlicks]

You can also create bundles for songs which load much faster than full backups.
Are you sure you need the full 500M sample space ? Samples are optimised and highly compressed, strange you need all that storage for just 1 set

Cheers Fred,

Well, I did not expect so many replies so I kept my question quite basic! But yes, you raise a very good point!

I am going to use either my Fender Rhodes or Yamaha CP73 as my bottom-keyboard. The Nord Electro 6D (in the second band-set) is going to be used exclusively for custom Oberheim synth samples. One octave-worth of Oberheim samples = circa 20MB. This is sampling every semitone! Therefore, five octaves = circa 100MB. This means I can have a maximum of five high-quality Oberheim samples (equalling circa 500MB).

Paul

[Berretje]

You can also create bundles for songs which load much faster than full backups.
Are you sure you need the full 500M sample space ? Samples are optimised and highly compressed, strange you need all that storage for just 1 set

Cheers Fred,

Well, I did not expect so many replies so I kept my question quite basic! But yes, you raise a very good point!

I am going to use either my Fender Rhodes or Yamaha CP73 as my bottom-keyboard. The Nord Electro 6D (in the second band-set) is going to be used exclusively for custom Oberheim synth samples. One octave-worth of Oberheim samples = circa 20MB. This is sampling every semitone! Therefore, five octaves = circa 100MB. This means I can have a maximum of five high-quality Oberheim samples (equalling circa 500MB).

Paul

Do you really need that high-quality for live playing? Not sure if the audience will notice. Same song for the higher quality piano samples...

[docbop]

Do you really need that high-quality for live playing? Not sure if the audience will notice. Same song for the higher quality piano samples...

Players drastically over estimate how closely audiences at any type of venue listen. Even other players at a gig might only listen for a few minutes then they are more into what's going on around them the rest of the night. People mainly go to live events for the atmosphere the energy, the vibe, they listen to the beat and the lyric and the rest is just background sound. If you don't believe listen to some off the sound board mixes of bands that had the audience going crazy and hear just how bad the band and artist really sound. I my recording engineer days I worked on and was around sessions for "Live" albums and people be surprise how much overdubbing goes on on live albums to make the artist sound good. One album in particular one of the biggest groups ever (they're still around) and the only thing that was still from the live recording was the drums and audience sound, everything else had been overdubbed.


Audience don't care they just want something close and a thumping beat.

[monsterjazzlicks]

Players drastically over estimate how closely audiences at any type of venue listen. Even other players at a gig might only listen for a few minutes then they are more into what's going on around them the rest of the night. People mainly go to live events for the atmosphere the energy, the vibe, they listen to the beat and the lyric and the rest is just background sound. If you don't believe listen to some off the sound board mixes of bands that had the audience going crazy and hear just how bad the band and artist really sound. I my recording engineer days I worked on and was around sessions for "Live" albums and people be surprise how much overdubbing goes on on live albums to make the artist sound good. One album in particular one of the biggest groups ever (they're still around) and the only thing that was still from the live recording was the drums and audience sound, everything else had been overdubbed.

Audience don't care they just want something close and a thumping beat.

Hi docbop,

Well, from your point of view I feel it really depends upon one's classification of the audience.

Audience don't care they just want something close and a thumping beat.

In my 35 years of playing professionally all over the world I have never heard such a stark remark before!

You seem to imply that the listening crowd are not so attentive of what's happening musically. Your statement is (without wishing to sound condescending) genre-specific. Punk, heavy metal, acid, and rave musics attract a completely different fan base than (say) classical, minimalist, and recital performances. They are worlds apart. I don't think I need to explain any further because I'm sure you are able to see the bigger picture here.

Personally, if I attend a gig, go to the cinema, or go on a walk, I much prefer to do so alone so that I can channel my focus on what's happening in and around me.

Cheers,

Paul

[monsterjazzlicks]

Do you really need that high-quality for live playing? Not sure if the audience will notice. Same song for the higher quality piano samples...

Hi Berretje,

What's that saying?: beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

I admit that I cannot always detect the difference between the higher-end models (sizes) of piano samples whilst playing in large ensembles; but I am able to distinguish when performing in combo outfits, and definitely in recording session environments.

Paul

[docbop]

In my 35 years of playing professionally all over the world I have never heard such a stark remark before!

You seem to imply that the listening crowd are not so attentive of what's happening musically. Your statement is (without wishing to sound condescending) genre-specific. Punk, heavy metal, acid, and rave musics attract a completely different fan base than (say) classical, minimalist, and recital performances. They are worlds apart. I don't think I need to explain any further because I'm sure you are able to see the bigger picture here.

Personally, if I attend a gig, go to the cinema, or go on a walk, I much prefer to do so alone so that I can channel my focus on what's happening in and around me.

Cheers,

Paul

There are exceptions to all rules/statement and you might be one to my statement, but I've been a roadie, tour manager, live mixer, recording engineer, post production, with everything from local artists to the biggest names in the business. Mixing it was all that sound work I've been a musician in bands playing guitar and bass. Working everything from local bars to stadiums so I have a lot of first hand experience and have discussed this topic with many musicians. Everyone want to think they are hearing more than they do especially musicians, but from my observations and talking to people they don't. They get caught up in the environment of the concert, bar, etc and are no different than the rest of the audience.

People go to hear live music to enjoy themselves they are concerned if the timbre is exactly if it make them feel good that's all that matters to them.

[monsterjazzlicks]

There are exceptions to all rules/statement and you might be one to my statement, but I've been a roadie, tour manager, live mixer, recording engineer, post production, with everything from local artists to the biggest names in the business. Mixing it was all that sound work I've been a musician in bands playing guitar and bass. Working everything from local bars to stadiums so I have a lot of first hand experience and have discussed this topic with many musicians. Everyone want to think they are hearing more than they do especially musicians, but from my observations and talking to people they don't. They get caught up in the environment of the concert, bar, etc and are no different than the rest of the audience.

People go to hear live music to enjoy themselves they are concerned if the timbre is exactly if it make them feel good that's all that matters to them.

Hi docbop,

I am going to withdraw from our comms because I can foresee we will never hit a common-ground.

It appears as though you have covered every possible musical post in your career and I'm not here to compete with anyone. I'm happy with what I know and have learned throughout the years.

Thanks and good luck with everything.