leslie deceleration

[wildangus]

Anyone else agree with me about the deceleration of the leslie? There are many old leslies out there with broken or worn brakes and I just love the sound of a leslie slowing down. At the moment I have to use a BOSS leslie pedal because the Nord leslie just doesn't do it for me. How do I go about requesting this feature from Nord for my E3? Just a few other small gripes -I don't seem to be able to adjust the velocity curves on the pianos. I have an Electro 3 61 note version deliberately because I didn't want hammer action and I have to really pound the keyboard to get some volume and tonal content out of the pianos. Another thing that grinds my gears -the fixed allocation of piano versus sample memory. Not all of us are pianists. One piano is enough and i'd really like to fill up the rest of the memory but can't. Grrrr. How do we get Nord to fix this? Moans aside I love my E3 on the whole -it's really accessible and great for live use.

Cheers Kevin (wildangus)
Korg Triton EX 61
Nord Electro 61
Novation KS5 (61)

[rb4u1]

I would have to agree that the Leslie Sim in the E3 is not at the head of the pack any longer.
Some are using the Neo Ventilator. I don't know if that wold help your concern, but it seems to be the best available at a price.
I have been one of the bigger whiners when it comes to velocity & other piano features on the E3.
Most of what I have read here indicates that the memory system is unique. Although I would have to agree with your logic, I question whether Nord will address it. Others have mentioned it also.
Great gripe list.

[Hanon_CTS]

Anyone else agree with me about the deceleration of the leslie? There are many old leslies out there with broken or worn brakes and I just love the sound of a leslie slowing down. At the moment I have to use a BOSS leslie pedal because the Nord leslie just doesn't do it for me. How do I go about requesting this feature from Nord for my E3? Just a few other small gripes -I don't seem to be able to adjust the velocity curves on the pianos. I have an Electro 3 61 note version deliberately because I didn't want hammer action and I have to really pound the keyboard to get some volume and tonal content out of the pianos. Another thing that grinds my gears -the fixed allocation of piano versus sample memory. Not all of us are pianists. One piano is enough and i'd really like to fill up the rest of the memory but can't. Grrrr. How do we get Nord to fix this? Moans aside I love my E3 on the whole -it's really accessible and great for live use.

Cheers Kevin (wildangus)
Korg Triton EX 61
Nord Electro 61
Novation KS5 (61)

Hello wildangus,
Welcome to the forums.

Hi Kevin,
you didn't mention in your question whether or not you had tried changing the piano dynamics settings.
Have you tried the 4 different dynamics settings, (Shift+Type Buttons)?

The Electro 3 is intended as an entry level product in the Nord line.
Clearly, there will be some features missing, like granularity of the parameters, and tweak-ablity of the rotary sim.

I had the NE3 for a few years.
I would have liked more memory all the way around, not just for library samples.
It's hard for an entry level instrument to be all things to all people.
From my perspective, it was pretty darn good.

Cheers, Hanon

[Horacio]

I agree with you. I really LOVE hearing the Leslie slowing down.

[bdodds]

I hate to answer this with a gear acquisition solution, but a great many of us (me included) have had great luck with the Ventilator, which has a lot of control over aspects like acceleration/deceleration and mic distance and such. Until I bought it I had gigged exclusively with a 145 Leslie for a great many years (15ish?) and that's so much of my back I'll never have again. For me the Electros were always a compromise - very good organ sound, fantastic pianos, and the leslie sim was ignored. The E2 was better, but the sim was still not good enough to replace the 145. Same for the E3, though it's much better, it's just not there. I'm a firm believer in the right tool for the job, and the E3 is the right tool to make organ sounds, piano sounds, definitely sampled sounds now, just not a large amount of them, and definitely not leslie sim.

Hope somehow this helps.

[Cute James]

bdodds, I've been toying with the idea of purchasing a Ventilator, but am still hoping that Clavia will one day release an Electro 3 update that improves the Leslie.

I note that you've sold your Electro 3, so presumably use the Stage 2's organ with your Ventilator.
Do you believe that the Stage 2's onboard organ/leslie is significantly better than the Electro 3's?

Cheers,
James
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[bdodds]

To be honest, I haven't been able to get the same feel and grunt out of the NS2's organ as I did the E3 - I don't know if the output levels are a little lower or what the deal is, and unfortunately haven't had any time to really investigate it. I mean, it's still good, don't get me wrong, but when I listen back to gigs I've played with the E3 it has a certain something to it I've yet to recreate.. I haven't played enough with the NS2 Leslie sim to say it's better or worse than the E3, I don't like it at all so I don't ever use it.

For me the choice to move to the NS2 was flexibility, the E3 was far too limiting in what I could do, especially since I had a Stage classic so I knew the possibilities, but the Classic's organ, in my opinion, didn't cut it vs. the E3. Upgraded organ, more RAM, sampling like the E3, synth section to boot, it was a no-brainer for me. It gives me the flexibility to just bring that and the Vent to a gig and leave the Moog at home - it's not anywhere near as visceral or flexible as a true analog synth, but it's no slouch either. I'm just rambling at this point - back to the topic at hand, sorry.

[Cute James]

Thanks for the info, and interesting observation about the Stage 2's organ vs the Electro 3.
Is the action on the Stage 2 compact the same as the Electro 3? If not, that may perhaps explain the feeling of less volume/grunt?

I recall watching a nice 'Green Onions' tutorial clip on YouTube not so long ago with a chap playing a C2. I dialed-in the exact same settings on my Electro 3, but was disappointed that it didn't sound quite as gritty or authentic, and expected this to be down to the improved organ/Leslie modelling on the C2.... which I gather is the same on the Stage 2?

Anyway, I've been playing my Electro 3 a fair bit recently, in preparation for a gig early next month. While it's still not a patch on a real Hammond+Leslie combo, I'm growing to love the Electro 3's organ + overdrive and chorus a fair bit, especially going from STOP to FAST modes. Having everything built into the single board is the real attraction to owning an Electro in my opinion, and is one of the reason's I haven't taken the plunge on the Ventilator.

Cheers,
James
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[bdodds]

The action feels the same, though again my sensitivity to such things is fairly low, the only thing I can't do is organ on weighted boards, other than that if it's close to the original it's good enough for me. I've got a key here or there that's a little spring-noisy, but that really doesn't bother me, though I know it's an issue for some..

For me the Vent is a no brainer, especially with the E3 since there's a perfect spot for it on the left, just need a short cable to go from the out to the Vent, and you're done. It's a bit more of a pain with the NS2 Compact since they cluttered the nice shelf space with knobs and buttons..

[Cute James]

Hmmm...nice idea about placing the Ventilator on the left. I guess it's pretty small, so could easily be velcro'd to the Electro and forgotten about. But then you obviously need the input and output cable(s), and the DC power supply, and things will surely start to get a little messy.

I still want one though...

James
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