How long to wait for a C2D successor?

[fieldflower]

But that's more like a Super Stage.
Lower manual weighted, upper manual waterfall.
Perhaps lower manual 88 which perhaps leaves room to the left of the upper for physical (motorized) drawbars.
And possibility for MIDI pedals as a "third manual".

I have to stop writing now - i'm Homer-drooling into my computer...

[Spider]

That would probably cost upwards of €5K, be totally non-portable, and sell a grand total of about 16 units across the whole world.

[Hlaalu]

I wouldn't even want such a keyboard... I'd like a dual manual *organ* that does just what it is supposed to, and does it well.
I don't know what to say other than I strongly hope Clavia has not discontinued this section of their products range.

[Mr_-G-]

I wonder how reliable (long term) are motorised pots/drawbars.

[Hlaalu]

I wonder how reliable (long term) are motorised pots/drawbars.

We should probably ask sound guys who use mixers a lot.

I too would be a bit leery "abusing" that kind of drawbars anyway. But honestly motorised drawbars, albeit nice, wouldn't be an absolute requisite for me to buy the instrument.

Anyway something like the Yamaha YC61 would combine the best of both worlds: physical drawbars (no motors) and LEDs underneath them. This could be a nice option to see on the successor of the C2D.

[fieldflower]

That would probably cost upwards of €5K, be totally non-portable, and sell a grand total of about 16 units across the whole world.

Myself and 15 more. That's plenty enough for me...

[n0rdy]

I wouldn't even want such a keyboard... I'd like a dual manual *organ* that does just what it is supposed to, and does it well.
I don't know what to say other than I strongly hope Clavia has not discontinued this section of their products range.

Other manufactures are already winning in this category though (Crumar, Viscount, Hammond). IMO Nord's strength is their extra sounds. The entire sound library is worlds above the extra sounds found in the Hammond SKX. The Hammond SKX stands alone in this category of dual manual organ-style stage keyboard. I just have severe reservations of the subpar extra sounds and the fact that they are charging $3000 for something made in China.

[Hlaalu]

Yes but the part that I still fail to be convinced of is that *because* there are already alternatives, then it "makes sense" for them not to continue with it. I mean, there is Korg and Yamaha: is this a reason Clavia should abandon the market altogether? Obviously not. One could see it the other way round, which is that precisely because there is more competition now than when the C1 came out first, this is a stimulus to come up with improvements.

I realise the organ market is niche by definition, and even among us who are interested we seem to have different opinions on what the perfect machine should be. For example, I am not that interested, in fact I am not interested at all in other sounds the machine should posses -- thus making it a hybrid keyboard.

I know there are alternatives, and right now it is the XK-5 that seems to be the closest to perfection -- with an astronomical price. But again, I don't see this as a valid reason to think that Clavia should then give up altogether. We would have the XK-5 AND a new Nord organ to compare and choose amongst.

[Rob Millis]

Yes but the part that I still fail to be convinced of is that *because* there are already alternatives, then it "makes sense" for them not to continue with it. I mean, there is Korg and Yamaha: is this a reason Clavia should abandon the market altogether? Obviously not. One could see it the other way round, which is that precisely because there is more competition now than when the C1 came out first, this is a stimulus to come up with improvements.

I realise the organ market is niche by definition, and even among us who are interested we seem to have different opinions on what the perfect machine should be. For example, I am not that interested, in fact I am not interested at all in other sounds the machine should posses -- thus making it a hybrid keyboard.

I know there are alternatives, and right now it is the XK-5 that seems to be the closest to perfection -- with an astronomical price. But again, I don't see this as a valid reason to think that Clavia should then give up altogether. We would have the XK-5 AND a new Nord organ to compare and choose amongst.

The fact is that Nord blazed the trail for the portable console that was no bigger than drawing round two 61 note manuals on a big sheet of paper, and now there are less...well..."Nord-y" alternatives out there, half of the market that still needs a dual manual organ will flock to the Mojos and Legends that give them pretty much the same thing in a very slightly bigger, very slightly heavier box that trades this small percentage of portability for a far more tonewheel organ like 'dashboard'. And for lots less money, especially the Legend Live which really does nail the cut down B3 vibe.

So the nearest competitior is a Hammond SKx (Yes the XK5 is lovely, but it's back to that annoying modular chunks format, not a nice, compact one-lump solution you take out of a case and plop on a stand, done). The allegedly improved electric piano voices apparently aren't, it's only the velocity/response that appears to interpret them better and in cold objective listening, the Rhodes and Wurly voices are still very much in clown shoes league, as is the organ in the Yamaha YC-61.

For my money, Nord have lost the organ 'purist' market now and need to have the SKx in their sights and any dual manual C2D successor needs to offer a bit of the Electro experience and at least give some EPs. Or retire from this field altogether and revert to just offering the Electro and Stage as 'all in one' solutions, from whence they came.

I wouldn't even want such a keyboard... I'd like a dual manual *organ* that does just what it is supposed to, and does it well.
I don't know what to say other than I strongly hope Clavia has not discontinued this section of their products range.

I'm with you 100% on not being remotely interested in a dual manual with a weighted lower manual and Stage-like architecture. Yuck. Too heavy and complicated by a long chalk. Just sort out the chorus/vibrato, get the Leslie to the standard that I can leave the Neo Vent at home, and let me throw the pipe organ out with the trash and instead have a Wurlitzer/Rhodes piano sound available.

Or at least have the decency to come clean, admit they're done here and tell us two-manual folk to f**** off somewhere else - do you know it is now almost exactly TWO YEARS since I started this thread? Two years and four days to be precise. And in that time, no word of a sound engine update for the C2D, nor an outright new model. Nor anything at all organ-related. Just bloody pianos, synths and stupid red speakers. C2Ds sold out in most of Europe and no knowledge of if/when it's going to come back into stock. Deafening silence.

[Hlaalu]

The fact is that Nord blazed the trail for the portable console that was no bigger than drawing round two 61 note manuals on a big sheet of paper, and now there are less...well..."Nord-y" alternatives out there, half of the market that still needs a dual manual organ will flock to the Mojos and Legends that give them pretty much the same thing in a very slightly bigger, very slightly heavier box that trades this small percentage of portability for a far more tonewheel organ like 'dashboard'. And for lots less money, especially the Legend Live which really does nail the cut down B3 vibe.

So the nearest competitior is a Hammond SKx (Yes the XK5 is lovely, but it's back to that annoying modular chunks format, not a nice, compact one-lump solution you take out of a case and plop on a stand, done). The allegedly improved electric piano voices apparently aren't, it's only the velocity/response that appears to interpret them better and in cold objective listening, the Rhodes and Wurly voices are still very much in clown shoes league, as is the organ in the Yamaha YC-61.

For my money, Nord have lost the organ 'purist' market now and need to have the SKx in their sights and any dual manual C2D successor needs to offer a bit of the Electro experience and at least give some EPs. Or retire from this field altogether and revert to just offering the Electro and Stage as 'all in one' solutions, from whence they came.

I wouldn't even want such a keyboard... I'd like a dual manual *organ* that does just what it is supposed to, and does it well.
I don't know what to say other than I strongly hope Clavia has not discontinued this section of their products range.

I'm with you 100% on not being remotely interested in a dual manual with a weighted lower manual and Stage-like architecture though. Yuck. Too heavy and complicated by a long chalk. Just sort out the chorus/vibrato, get the Leslie to the standard that I can leave the Neo Vent at home, and let me throw the pipe organ out with the trash and instead have a Wurlitzer/Rhodes piano sound available.

Or at least have the decency to come clean, admit they're done here and tell us two-manual folk to f**** off somewhere else - do you know it is now almost exactly TWO YEARS since I started this thread? Two years and no word of a sound engine update for the C2D, nor an outright new model. Nor anything at all organ-related. Just bloody pianos, synths and stupid red speakers...

We partly agree -- at leaste we agree that "just stay off this portion of the market altogether" isn't the most desirable solution/recommendation for sure.

Personally, I like pipe organs too (and am satisfied with their emulation in the Stage 3), so I would never wish they took them out. Again, I can't but voice my wishes as a customer that they created a dual manual *organ*, with no extra sounds (don't care about those, as I'd still bring a Stage for that), but with the most and best customizations available for organs, click settings, rotary settings, percussion settings, V/C scanners, etc.. Pretty much like it is now but much deeper. That's it, not so complicated in my opinion. Am I really alone in wanting such a machine?


EDIT: I know it's been two years without any news whatsoever, but for one thing I think that Clavia timeline isn't as fast-paced -- and rightly so, considering the scope of their products. I think it's normal not to expect updates on a weekly basis. For another thing, I also think that this whole "they are done with organs" thing has come *solely from the opinions of this forum*, putting this statement in no firmer basis that anything else fan-generated that may or may not turn out to be true. So yes, I absolutely want a successor of the C2D but let's also be cautious declaring we "give up" just because of some random people's opinions on the web -- with all respect, as I am part of that random people too!