Which one...

Everything about Nord keyboards in general; which one to choose, the sound manager, sample editor, and general discussion about the sample and piano libraries.
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Re: Which one...

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I believe they have the same sample library, which includes organ samples and synth samples, apart from the special "sample packs". If the factory sounds on the Piano 4 are enough for you, you don't need the Stage. It would be good if you could get to a store that has at least one of them in stock to have a feel and a listen.
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I found the S9's keybed to be a bit smoother, and a bit 'quieter' with the sound off, but this is always difficult to tell when you're in a store where it's never really completely quiet. Or it's just personal preference, it's all very subjective.
I'm quite allergic to keybed noise (clacky keys) which I find very annoying.
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I understand what you mean. The NS keybed isnt the quietest around if you play at home a lot at lower volumes. My old CP4 was a bit smoother/quieter in comparison.

Obviously on Stage you wouldnt hear it and probably wouldnt notice it at all. :)

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Don't think I will go for the Piano 4. Not liking that keybed.
Will have to wait for the Grand, see if I can have a play in a store. And I'll have to try out the Kawai MP7SE as well. It's got loads of sounds, which I've listened to online, and I like them all, and it's around the same price as a Korg SV-1. The Nord Grand's keybed is more or less the same as the one in the MP7SE, but then tweaked by Nord specifically for the Grand.
I think it might be an interesting comparison, seeing that the Grand costs more than double the price of the MP7SE...
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GuiliClayder wrote:Don't think I will go for the Piano 4. Not liking that keybed.
I understand you completely. Trying 3 nord keyboards (NG, NS3, NP4), I concluded, that I love NG keybed, tolerate NS3 keybed and I hate NP4 keybed.
GuiliClayder wrote:... I'll have to try out the Kawai MP7SE as well. It's got loads of sounds, which I've listened to online, and I like them all,
Try MP7SE, necessarily. It's worth that.
GuiliClayder wrote: I think it might be an interesting comparison, seeing that the Grand costs more than double the price of the MP7SE...
Exactly! After some time, when emotions a little bit calmed down, my opinion about Nord Grand has been changed. Still I think that NG is great piano for stage but overpriced. Kawai piano sounds on the board of MP7SE are still nice and playable. You need to compare them personally to judge it.
Be also aware, taht my opinion is fitred to my preferences and stuff options, like using piano VST and keyboard as a midi controller, which completelly is not point to pay extra for better sound engine built in. That reason I am choosing MP7SE. Your goals maybe are different.
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I have a couple of options, after having narrowed down my initial list. I'm looking for a 2-tier setup, with a high quality weighted 88-key board on the bottom and a semi-weighted waterfall keybed on the second tier.
My budget is quite generous so I could go all out and get the Nord Grand and the Electro 6D 73, but I'm still looking at some more affordable options from Roland, Korg, Yamaha and Kawai. There's an equally expensive alternative to the Nord combo and that's from Dexibell, with the Vivo S9 and the Combo J7. But when you're spending that kind of money, why not go straight for Nord, right ?
As far as keybeds are concerned, nothing beats the Kawai MP11SE but I feel that because of the authentic feel of the keybed, it's less appropriate for sounds other than piano...

Still, most curious about the feel of both the Kawai MP7SE and Nord Grand. If I can't feel any real difference, might as well go for the Kawai, which I believe would make a good pair with the Roland VR-730. If the Nord Grand manages to impress me that much, then I'll probably get the NG and the E6D...
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I read a lot topics about Grand Feel action (Kawai MP11SE and CA models). Generally opinion that GF is the best piano action in touch is well known but I also read some complaints that GF action is lazy and much slower in faster playing and trills for example than lower level Kawai keyboard actions, like RM3 or RHIII. Last Saturday I have played on Kawai pianos: CN27, CN29 (both RHIII action) and very short on CA78 (Grand Feel 2 action). I regret, that I forgot to touch CA58 (Grand Feel Compact action) - so, maybe next time.
Generally RHIII keyboard action fits me great - nice Ivory touch, action is enough good for dynamic control, weight also is light enough (not too light) with noticable escapement - I couldn't complain. Grand Feel 2 action in CA78 was definitelly too slow and a bit too heavy for me. I think I would be feel a bit lost on Grand Feel action. I think, this keyboard is good for more advenced pianists and definitelly I don't want this action.
Maybe for you will be different? You don't know until you try.
Anyway, definitely you must try every keyboard action before you buy, cause higher model of keyboard action not always means better for you. Don't rely on opinion of others only!

Two instruments (NG and NE6D) with the same sound engine? I don't know that's a good idea. If you love nord sounds so much and you gigging more than playing home - yes.

Consider and try to play somewhere on Korg Grandstage as well. I think more about piano sounds than keyboard action which isn't bad. There is RH3 action but I heard from Grandstage user, that RH3 in Grandstage is noticable better than in the Korg SV-1.
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Well, the Grand and Electro combo would be practical, same interface and more overal memory to have a lot more sounds at your disposal at the same time.
As for the Grandstage, I have played it and liked it, couldn't really tell the difference in comparison with the SV-1. If I had to choose, though, I'd go for the SV-1 : it's such a cool keyboard and it has most of the sounds I need anyway. The Grandstage is newer and has 500 or so sounds, but who needs that many sounds ? Plus, the SV-1 is the absolute perfect match for the Vox Continental, a cool looking retro setup with amazing sounds to boot.
Apart from the Nord combination, I think I'll either take the MP7SE with the VR-730, or the SV-1 and the Vox Continental. Unfortunately, there are a people reporting problems with the MP7SE (defective keys) as well as the SV-1 (keybed problems and in some cases the keyboard completely locking up). Nothing's perfect, I guess...
The Roland RD-2000 and Yamaha CP88 both have excellent keybeds (hybrid plastic/wood) but they just don't do it for me. The RD2000 looks like as spaceship and who needs 1100 sounds on a stage piano ? The CP88, dunno, I could get used to the looks, and it definitely feels like high quality but all the other ones have better sounds, I feel...
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GuiliClayder wrote: As for the Grandstage, I have played it and liked it, couldn't really tell the difference in comparison with the SV-1.
Maybe in keyboard action doesn't have a big difference but in piano sounds it has IMO.
GuiliClayder wrote:Unfortunately, there are a people reporting problems with the MP7SE (defective keys) as well as the SV-1 (keybed problems and in some cases the keyboard completely locking up).
The best solution is buying from a local store, which will make a checkment your piano before release to you. I am going to do that here, where I live.
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