Volume Control

[-Toro-]

Except that if I put it into the Swell Input I can't get anything out of the MKS-20. If I plug into the Control Input the pedal controls both the MKS-20 and everything in the Nord.

so it seems the SWELL PEDAL input doesn't control the EXTERNAL section at all.... ok! thanks for sharing this with us.

I'm sure it works like you suggested but I barely know what I'm doing with this thing. I changed something in the Extern section and I'm not sure what I did or if that has something to do with this volume pedal configuration.

take your time! when i first got my Stage i just stared at it and thought; oh my...! i will never get along with this beast. but you know what? i have never worked with any simpler synthesizer in my life. once you get to know it, it's very hand on! everything you need to change on the fly is there on the panel. it's great for me, since i am a live player who don't like being stucked in menues and sub menues.

I have a Roland EV-5 that doesn't really seem to control the volume very well at all. I also have a Peavey CV 1 that I haven't tried yet.

as far as i know the Roland can do the job (i don't know about the Peavey). i haven't used it myself, but from what i've heard it's a little more "sensitive" cause it has a shorter range from heel down til toe down...

thanks for the scoop and good luck with your NS! :-)

[stelmerfudd]

take your time! when i first got my Stage i just stared at it and thought; oh my...! i will never get along with this beast. but you know what? i have never worked with any simpler synthesizer in my life. once you get to know it, it's very hand on! everything you need to change on the fly is there on the panel. it's great for me, since i am a live player who don't like being stucked in menues and sub menues.

I'm so glad you said that. I'm a live player too and I feel so intimidated by all these menus and submenus and settings and figuring out what they do and then the thing doesn't play at all and I can't get back to where I was and then I have to channel Albert Einstein.

Thanks for the encouraging words. If you did it, I think I can do it too. How did you go about learning, taming the beast? I have the manual... and this group.

as far as i know the Roland can do the job (i don't know about the Peavey). i haven't used it myself, but from what i've heard it's a little more "sensitive" cause it has a shorter range from heel down til toe down...

The Roland pedal didn't seem to have much effect but I'll try them again.

I'm going to do some experimenting with the Peavey pedal and see what I can come up with.

Thanks... later days

[-Toro-]

Thanks for the encouraging words. If you did it, I think I can do it too. How did you go about learning, taming the beast? I have the manual... and this group.

sure you can!! :-)
well, when i started i only had the manual. i didn't know much about MIDI and i wasn't familiar with the vocabulary. i couldn't get any help from this forum either, so for me it was a lot of trial-and-error. since i use a Yamaha rack i looked for help on a yamaha forum and they helped me out with the basics. but still i had to master my NS on my own, hehehe!
and now it seems to me i am some sort of MIDI guru on this forum! oh my god, how did that happen?! (naah, just kidding) ;-)
however, the truth is that i've explored and investigated almost every menu function in the NS in search for my answers. so if i can be helpful for others out there i'm just glad!

keep up the spirit and never give up on your red devil.

[stelmerfudd]

Thank you so much.

I have been trying every conceivable configuration for the Control Pedal and Swell Pedal in the System and trying different configurations with two pedals, a Yamaha FC-7 and a Roland EV 5.

I can use one pedal and control the volume for both units simultaneously which is what I requested in this thread.

I can also hook up a second pedal, in this case its the Roland EV 5, which has a sensitivity knob on it which sets the range of the pedal. With the two pedals the Roland works like a master volume and the Yamaha in the Control Pedal input can be used to mix in the sounds coming from the MKS-20. This set up can be helpful in certain situations but to lower the volume of what's coming out of the Nord I still have to use the knob on the Nord cause when I lower the volume on the Roland it lowers the volume of both the MKS-20 and the Nord.

So, I have not found a way to control the volumes separately, one pedal for the MKS-20 and one for the Nord.

Thanks for all your help and time. I'll keep working at it and posting here.

[-Toro-]

1. connect your FC-7 to the SWELL PEDAL jack and the EV-5 to the CTRL PEDAL jack on the rear panel.

2. SYSTEM MENU
Ctrl pedal type = Roland
Control pedal use as swell = No (this is the trick to NOT control the internal volume on NS)
Swell pedal type = Yamaha
Swell pedal dest = All (and this is the trick to make the swell pedal control all sections, not only the organ...)

3. Initialize a PROGRAM (see pg 13 in the manual)

4. EXTERN MENU
Extern MIDI A/B Send CtrolPed = Yes

5. activate the EXTERNAL SECTION and select keyboard zones.

6.STORE the PROGRAM

provided your MIDI setup is correct the EV-5 should now send control pedal messages to your MKS-20.
the NS sends cc011 (Expression message) and as far as i know that can not be changed. (see this thread: your-setup-other-gear-f8/control-midi-c ... -t244.html)
but in your case, this is exactly what you want to achieve!!

the EV-5 now controls the EXPERSSION of your MKS-20 and the FC-7 controls the VOLUME of all other sections (organ+piano+synth).

hope this helps. merry christmas! :-)

[stelmerfudd]

Hi,

The holidays really ate up a lot of my time. Sorry for taking so long to get back.

Thank you so much for taking the time to post. I really appreciate it.

2. SYSTEM MENU
Ctrl pedal type = Roland
Control pedal use as swell = No (this is the trick to NOT control the internal volume on NS)
Swell pedal type = Yamaha
Swell pedal dest = All (and this is the trick to make the swell pedal control all sections, not only the organ...)

This was fairly easy for me to set up. I've spent a lot of time here.

3. Initialize a PROGRAM (see pg 13 in the manual)

Wondering if we have different manuals or at least different page numbers. My pg 13 has to do with 'Editing A Program'. I can select different programs but I don't see anything about 'Initialize' a PROGRAM. Sorry if this is being too dumb.

4. EXTERN MENU
Extern MIDI A/B Send CtrolPed = Yes

5. activate the EXTERNAL SECTION and select keyboard zones.

6.STORE the PROGRAM

I select 1:1>Shift>Extern

I don't see Extern MIDI A/B at all. I see Extern MIDI A when I have Panel A selected and Extern MIDI B when I have Panel B selected. I have seen A/B before but I was monkeying around in there and don't see it now. I'm wondering how do I get that back.

With the way things are set up now the Roland controls the volume of everything, even the MKS-20. Which isn't so bad in itself and actually what I was trying to accomplish in the first place. I can mix the MKS lower and out of the mix altogether but to get the NS out of the mix I have to use the Master Level on the NS. So both pedals are now sending control pedal messages to the MKS-20 and the Roland only control pedal messages to the MKS. And I think the link you refer to confirms this. The NS cannot be stopped from sending MIDI control pedal messages. Not sure though.

I'm going to play like this for a while and see how that works. Its way better than I had it set up before. That's for sure.

the EV-5 now controls the EXPERSSION of your MKS-20 and the FC-7 controls the VOLUME of all other sections (organ+piano+synth)

Works exactly like you said it would.

Thank you so much. Happy New Year!

[-Toro-]

Wondering if we have different manuals or at least different page numbers. My pg 13 has to do with 'Editing A Program'. I can select different programs but I don't see anything about 'Initialize' a PROGRAM. Sorry if this is being too dumb.

look at the bottom line on page 13 (manual version v4.x or later) - INSTRUMENT INITS. in case you have an older version maybe this page number is incorrect...

I don't see Extern MIDI A/B at all. I see Extern MIDI A when I have Panel A selected and Extern MIDI B when I have Panel B selected. I have seen A/B before but I was monkeying around in there and don't see it now. I'm wondering how do I get that back.

you're doing nothing wrong here! in the menus you switch between settings for the different panels through the [PANEL A]/[PANEL B] buttons.

With the way things are set up now the Roland controls the volume of everything, even the MKS-20.

strange!! this i can't explain... what do your FC-7 control then?? will it make a difference if you disconnect your Roland pedal? running a double check here. Roland pedal --> Ctrl pedal jack. Yamaha pedal --> Swell pedal jack... right?

[anotherscott]

If you simply want a volume pedal for the entire output of the Stage, just put a regular volume pedal between the output of your Stage and the input of your amp/mixer. The big advantage of that is that the foot controller input jack is then still available for all kinds of other functions. To me, it actually seems like it would be a shame to "waste" the versatile foot controller function for something simple like a master volume anyway!

[-Toro-]

If you simply want a volume pedal for the entire output of the Stage, just put a regular volume pedal between the output of your Stage and the input of your amp/mixer. The big advantage of that is that the foot controller input jack is then still available for all kinds of other functions. To me, it actually seems like it would be a shame to "waste" the versatile foot controller function for something simple like a master volume anyway!

the thing is that the NS has a swell pedal jack which is dedicated only to control the overall volume of all internal instrument sections (or just the organ if you prefer...). so it's not like you occupy the jack.
in addition Stelmerfudd allready owns a Yamaha FC-7 so why buy another one?

[anotherscott]

the thing is that the NS has a swell pedal jack which is dedicated only to control the overall volume of all internal instrument sections (or just the organ if you prefer...). so it's not like you occupy the jack.
in addition Stelmerfudd allready owns a Yamaha FC-7 so why buy another one?

Ah yes, I was mixing up the swell pedal and the control pedal!