Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Mod Wheel, DX7, Bass

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Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Mod Wheel, DX7, Bass

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This is my new "utility" program with bass on bottom split and Hammond, Rhodes or Rhodes/DX7 on top split (of course a breeze to get to any other Piano as well). For the Hammond, the program uses the MW to control the Leslie all the way from stopped to its fast rotation (like a Leslie 22R). The MW is also morph-assigned to the Effect 1 Rate/Tempo for the tremolo to accent the Leslie rotating effect. The mp3 starts out with me nudging the MW slightly on-off, "rotating" the Leslie to different stopped positions, then moving the MW to slightly-on for the slow Leslie/tremolo, and then all the way up for the fast Leslie/tremolo. While in fast mode, I turn the tremolo effect on and off so you can hear the effect of just the Leslie and the Leslie/tremolo combination - it's off when the organ sounds louder, but also not as "pulsing" as with the tremolo. With the tremolo on again, I then back the MW off to slow down the rotation.

The Leslie will follow whatever function last controlled it. If you move the MW, the Leslie will follow that; if you hit the Leslie slow or fast button, the Leslie will follow that including pedal-controlled slow/fast - which leads to the next effect. On the mp3 I speed up the Leslie/tremolo again with the MW, and then with the MW in the fast mode, I hit the Slow/Fast button on the Leslie to slow it down while the tremolo stays in the fast mode based on the MW setting. The result (to me) is an accented Hammond chorus with slow Leslie that I really like. I then play a couple bars using that setting with the bass in the lower split. Turning on the Rhodes and synth at the end, I have the DX7 Rhodes with the Hammond (if you're interested in the DX7 Rhodes sample, more information is provided in my prior post at http://www.norduserforum.com/nord-stage ... t7676.html <-link).

Below are two versions of HammondWheelDX, the second uses an amp with the Hammond - hope you like them. Take care.
HammondWheelDX W.ns2p
Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on the wheel and DX7 Rhodes patch.
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HammondWheelDX2W.ns2p
Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on the wheel, DX7 Rhodes patch, and amp settings.
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HammondWheelDX W.mp3
Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel and DX7 Sample with Rhodes
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Re: Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel, DX7, Bass

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Thanks for this! I'm going to load it up this evening!
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Re: Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel, DX7, Bass

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Something to note: it's cool that the Leslie will follow whatever function last controlled it (morph to wheel or buttons for STOP/SLOW/FAST) with this program, however, if you place the Leslie in the "stop" mode with the wheel and then change programs to another using the Leslie, the Leslie will continue to be in the stop mode (but no STOP button light on) until the STOP MODE button is hit twice or the SLOW/FAST button is hit. I'd consider that to be a "bug" as the orientation of the Leslie in one program shouldn't affect where it's set with another, however I hope that if Nord decides to fix that, that they don't break the feature I like most of having the multiple options of controlling the Leslie.
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Re: Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel, DX7, Bass

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In order to “relink Samp Lib” do you Ballentine to recall what sample was in the banks? A: (unknown) B: FndJazzPlectrum_Direct_CLv4

I realize you may have moved on to Stage 3, but just thought I’d check to see if you might know. Or is it obvious and I’m not seeing it?

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Re: Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel, DX7, Bass

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MEL868 wrote:In order to “relink Samp Lib” do you Ballentine to recall what sample was in the banks? A: (unknown) B: FndJazzPlectrum_Direct_CLv4

I realize you may have moved on to Stage 3, but just thought I’d check to see if you might know. Or is it obvious and I’m not seeing it?

Thanks MEL
Based on the name of the patch, I’d say “DX Rhodes” is used - the sample is available through the link in the original post.
Although, I’d recommend using the piano section “DX Full Tines”, which hadn’t been released back then ;)
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Re: Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel, DX7, Bass

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Hi Mel, attached is the DX7 sample I used for the program. As suggested by MartinJ2EX, if you already have the DX7 loaded in the piano section, you could try that and save the sample space. I actually use both on a couple programs as the synth can add characteristics to the sound you can't get with the piano version. Take care.
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Re: Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel, DX7, Bass

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WannitBBBad wrote:Something to note: it's cool that the Leslie will follow whatever function last controlled it (morph to wheel or buttons for STOP/SLOW/FAST) with this program, however,
if you place the Leslie in the "stop" mode with the wheel and then change programs to another using the Leslie, the Leslie will continue to be in the stop mode (but no STOP button light on) until the STOP MODE button is hit twice or the SLOW/FAST button is hit. I'd consider that to be a "bug" as the orientation of the Leslie in one program shouldn't affect where it's set with another, however I hope that if Nord decides to fix that, that they don't break the feature I like most of having the multiple options of controlling the Leslie.

This is a really old post, but... Actually I don't think morphs, once assigned to the wheel, AT or CtrlPedal are "meant" to be operated from the button/knob that originally controlled them, hence I'm hesitant to call what you describe a "bug".

By the way what you describe actually happens also within the same Program. Try this:

Assign the rotor to the wheel. Now increase the rotor speed with the wheel, still within the "green LED" range but fairly "fast-ish". Hit stop mode to completely stop the rotor. It does stop indeed. Now hit it again to resume: surely enough it starts spinning again, but you'll note it's NOT at the same speed you left it with the wheel; rather, it's at its "default" low speed. You touch the wheel again, the rotor will quickly catch up to whatever speed matches the actual position of the wheel.

Another example: try now increase the speed with the wheel but go to full speed. Now try press the button slow/fast: it won't do anything. Viceversa, had you pressed it with the wheel still on the green LED zone, it would have switched to fast.

These kind of quirks in my opinions aren't bug strictly speaking, but a natural consequence of having two physical controls conflicting over the same parameters. By the way an example of what I described can be seen at the end of this video:
Note how they try to act on rotor speed both from the wheel and from the button.
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Hlaalu wrote: This is a really old post, but... Actually I don't think morphs, once assigned to the wheel, AT or CtrlPedal are "meant" to be operated from the button/knob that originally controlled them, hence I'm hesitant to call what you describe a "bug"....
Hello Hlaalu, welcome to the Forum! Unfortunately I don't have my Stage 2 EX any longer, however the "bug" was that if I left the Leslie in the stopped mode using the Mod Wheel and then went to another program, the Leslie would stay in the stopped mode (but no STOP button light on) until the STOP MODE button was hit twice or the SLOW/FAST button was hit. The Leslie should have gone to whatever I had set for the program I switched to but somehow the morphed "Stop" wasn't getting reset. The function on the Stage 3 works just fine as you mention, I really like the flexibility it adds to the Leslie. Take care.
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Re: Hammond with Leslie/Tremolo on Wheel, DX7, Bass

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WannitBBBad wrote:
Hlaalu wrote: This is a really old post, but... Actually I don't think morphs, once assigned to the wheel, AT or CtrlPedal are "meant" to be operated from the button/knob that originally controlled them, hence I'm hesitant to call what you describe a "bug"....
Hello Hlaalu, welcome to the Forum! Unfortunately I don't have my Stage 2 EX any longer, however the "bug" was that if I left the Leslie in the stopped mode using the Mod Wheel and then went to another program, the Leslie would stay in the stopped mode (but no STOP button light on) until the STOP MODE button was hit twice or the SLOW/FAST button was hit. The Leslie should have gone to whatever I had set for the program I switched to but somehow the morphed "Stop" wasn't getting reset. The function on the Stage 3 works just fine as you mention, I really like the flexibility it adds to the Leslie. Take care.
Ha I see, I must have misunderstood the problem exactly, but I think I see what you mean now. :) I actually haven't tried doing what you describe with the Stage 3, but from your lines I piece together that the bug has been fixed eventually.

By the way with the Stage 3, personally once I set the rotor to be morphed by the wheel, I don't touch the button again -- as I said the rotor responds oddily if I do so. I also do the same for any morph for the matter.
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