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NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 25 Sep 2015, 14:41
by Frantz
Hello,

I have distortion as if the drive knob was on something like 0.5 , but it's not.
Has someone else noticed that too ?
Just using a 888 B3 with rotary on, playing a Cm7 chord for instance.
I tried the two rotary models 122 and 122close. It's on both.
Whatever headset or mainout, it sounds the same.
Sounds good, but sometimes it would be better if totally clean (drive=0).

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Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 27 Sep 2015, 08:30
by pablomastodon
Hi Frantz,

What Tonewheel Mode setting are you using?

Bless,

Pablo

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 27 Sep 2015, 11:58
by Frantz
Hi Pablo,
I use the clean most of the time, brand new B3 inside, no leaks :)
It's really like when I turned just a little bit the drive on the NE4, or NS2, I got this little 'growl' distortion / drive behind, the one you don't get with a single C4 note, but clearly appears with a Cm7. (draw bars 888).
F.

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 28 Sep 2015, 01:19
by pablomastodon
I think that's the nature of distortion on organ tones. Possibly a function of amplification, too. Things are going to get messy when playing something like a m7 chord, especially when using drawbar settings which include non-fundamental tones. There will be weird overtone clashes which will just naturally generate some crunchiness all on their own, and most amp/speaker combinations will have a really tough time handling this without adding some more crunch to the mix.

That's my guess, anyway...

Bless,

Pablo

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 28 Sep 2015, 10:22
by Frantz
Hi Pablo,
Thank you for sharing you thoughts.
I had a nice 10" amp that could not handle deep rhode sounds/chords, (otherwise clean) and produced a kind of similar distortion (really coming from the speakers, the cabinet was fine), so I can understand that the Leslie 122 emulation does this kind of thing now. Every board is different, I liked the NE4D very much.
Cheers,
F.

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 28 Sep 2015, 20:18
by iluvchiclets
This is a very interesting point - on all other Electro models up until this one, it was possible to play a completely "clean" Leslie simulation. However, as was noted above, on each of the electro 5's I have played, there is always a small element of distortion on the Leslie simulation. I believe the only way to remove it is to have the drawbars pushed in to approx halfway?

Are there editable Leslie parameters on the E5? Perhaps there are different setting for the Leslie that I am not aware of? The E5 sounds dirtier than any other electro model I have played...

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 29 Sep 2015, 09:53
by Frantz
Hi,

Thanks for your comments. I'll try it, drawbars to half way.
Of course that would diminish the whole level, won't be a playable solution, but that may help to understand what happens.

Edit : Btw, is the "gain" located post or pre rotary in the chain ? I guess it's post, put I'll try that too.

One good point with Nord is that it sounds (always) good with a few parameter, the few parameters regarding the B3 and Rotary are available in the sound menu, done them.

I take the instrument "as is", the drive and rotary is some way "better" for different reasons than the NE4's, but if we could keep this new rotary simulation and just avec a true "0" distorsion position ... that would be really really great :angel:

F.

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 29 Sep 2015, 10:23
by Frantz
My thoughts is that things like "Amped" sounds in the piano library, or the inclusion of distortion in the rotary sim,
maybe make the board sounds nice out of the box, but instead it is a Nord strength to give user control using board panel.
That "modular" design is very important. Having access to raw material.

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 02 Oct 2015, 18:04
by michael_C1
I just received by Electro 5 yesterday, and that's the first thing I noticed about the organ sound, that there's a small amount of distortion always present. This is with organ set to 'Clean' and regardless of Leslie settings. I'm not convinced whether it's the Leslie effect or the B3 tone itself, but I'll do some comparisons since I still have my E3.

it certainly would be nice to have a clean sound available as we had in the past, so perhaps there'll be an update at some point that gives us the option.

Other than that, even after having only a few hours to mess with it as of yet, I'm convinced that the Electro 5 is a great instrument!

Re: NE5's B3 rotary distorsion when drive = 0

Posted: 03 Oct 2015, 15:07
by iluvchiclets
Thanks michael_C1,

Could you let us know if there is a hidden parameter in there at all - either in a B3 model or a Leslie model, that allows for a "clean" leslie sound? I think it would be of interest to a lot of players...