Nord 5D Organ Reverb through Leslie

[Frentzen]

Hi there,

I am currently getting my hands on the new Electro 5D. I already own the Electro 4D. I noticed that on the 4D Reverb goes through the leslie cabinet (when leslie is turned on) so no matter what type of Reverb I use it "swirls" around in leslie slow and fast mode. That's really cool, because it's what happenes on a real Hammond Organ when the Reverb is turned on. Now, on the Electro 5D that doesn't happen. It might be a small detail that I am absolutely missing this feature. I love turning up the reverb when the leslie speaker is on "fast".

Does anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks for your replies,

Christian

[RedLeo]

There's nothing you can do I'm afraid. On the E5, the reverb is fixed after the Leslie sim. On the E4, the reverb simulates the way it works with a Hammond spring reverb as you noted, but now on the E5 it simulates a room reverb instead.

[Frentzen]

Thanks for your reply! I hope that this will be fixed via OS update soon, otherwise I will stay with my NE 4D as I think in that matter the NE4D is a lot more realistic than the 5D. I also love the 4D close-mic version of the leslie - it has much more "swirl" than the new 122 leslie sim in the 5D...

[RedLeo]

I doubt that they will "fix" it as most people will probably prefer it the way it is now.

While of course you can do whatever you like, the E5 has a lot of advantages over the E4 and i would perhaps think twice before "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"

[zmeyer]

Re: "On a real Hammond..."

On most real Hammonds, e.g. a B3, there is no built-in reverb. On the models that had it, like the A-100, if connected to a leslie, the preferable way to do it was to send it to a 2-channel Leslie so the reverb DIDN'T go swirling around. For example, I have an A-102 with a Leslie 251. The 251 has extra stationary speakers in the sides, and the reverb signal is sent separately to these. So, the dry signal swirls around, and the reverb is unaffected. The E5 is more faithful to either this setup, AND to the sound of a standard 122 Leslie in a live "space."

[zmeyer]

I should also add that, to my ears, the E5 Hammond sound is even MORE accurate than the E4. I can't quite put my finger on how. But I've AB'd it with my real Hammonds, and even where it sounds different, it couldn't sound more like an actual Hammond. The Leslie growl buildup seems more linear and less "clippy," and the lower frequencies seem more accurately represented. IMO, the Hammond is the Electro's strongest simulation.

Don't get me started on the clav, though.

[rajbooth]

I initially thought that there might be a workaround for this. With the new delay effect on the NE5 you can configure the delay to do a reasonable emulation of a spring reverb by setting a fast repeat rate and appropriate wet and feedback settings. However, this effect still comes after the rotary in the effect chain, so won't be a solution to your requirement.
In principle Nord could make the effect chain order configurable in the system settings. After all, they are just a series of DSP code modules. However, I suspect this would be a low priority and would detract from the simplicity ethos that underpins the Nord's user interface.

[iluvchiclets]

I have to say, the way Nord previously had the reverb going into the Leslie was so irritating, it really boggled my mind they programmed it that way...

...and here is a user who liked it that way! Hats off to you...different strokes for different folks. No disrespect at all!

I have had that point brought up, that there were a few Hammond models that had reverb go into a Leslie, but I'll be darned if I know what types did!? Pretty obscure models I would think.

For me I prefer the reverb to be ambience, as in being played in a room or hall. I agree, Nord should allow us some flexibility in the effects chain.

[michael_C1]

My first Leslie was a mahogany 122RV which had a separate channel for reverb with a separate speaker, without reverb signal going through the upper or lower rotors. It was a gorgeous sound. Leslie also made a 147RV.

Another common setup was a B3 with a Hammond PR40 cabinet plus a Leslie. Balanced properly, the PR40 added reverb and additional bass, with just a touch of treble.

'Whiter Shade of Pale' and countless other recordings would sound WAY different if the reverb signal had come before the Leslie.

The Nord Stage puts reverb at the end of the signal chain. The routing of reverb before Leslie annoyed me so much on my Electro 3 that I brought a separate reverb

[mon8169]

'Whiter Shade of Pale' and countless other recordings would sound WAY different if the reverb signal had come before the Leslie.

I always thought 'A Whiter Shade of Pale' was the perfect example of spring reverb before the Leslie.

Ramon