Nord User Forum

Hi everybody.
i have a big question... i need a keyboard with good sounds in general like strings, brass, flutes, accordion, organs, pianos, sax, the most sounds that everybody usually needs for pop, country, rock, church music and so on... i have heard the nord samples and i like almost all sounds from there.confess im a bit confused yet about accordions...
for those who have electro 4d what do you think i should choose:
i never had played a motif xf but i heard it is good if we wanna use hammond or nord sounds inside it.. or can i have. nord electro 4d and have both hammond and some motif xf sounds on it? or can i have hammond and have motif and nord samples on it?

for those who have nE4d which should i choose? what do u must miss on NE and wish motif xf sounds on it?

thanks

cfehlberg wrote:i never had played a motif xf but i heard it is good if we wanna use hammond or nord sounds inside it.. or can i have. nord electro 4d and have both hammond and some motif xf sounds on it? or can i have hammond and have motif and nord samples on it?

No. This misconception probably comes from the fact that both instruments can be loaded with custom samples, but there are a lot of limitations in doing that. You could load a sample of a Nord organ sound into a Motif XF, but it would not give you the ability to alter the drawbars, it would not give you the Nord's rotary speaker effect, etc. You could load a sample of a Motif sound into the Nord, but again with none of the Yamaha's processing or its ability to generate different variations of the sounds at different velocities, or with release samples, etc. So either way, there are some sounds you can get pretty good facsimiles out of in a transfer to the other, but others that will be only shadows of the original. (And either way, to even attempt it, you'd have to have a Nord and a Yamaha at your disposal to begin with.)

The Nord is a much better organ than any Yamaha; piano is a tougher call, especially with the Motif XF (or MOXF) which allows you to load additional piano sounds besides the stock versions. For the other sounds you mentioned (strings, brass, flutes, accordion, sax), I'd give the edge to the Yamaha, though there are some very nice Nord sounds for some of these things as well. The Yamaha has a lot more versatility in terms of things like your ability to edit, split, and layer the sounds.

If you like Nord sounds and Yamaha sounds, I'd say forget about trying to get the sounds of one into the other, and use both keyboards. To keep cost down, you don't have to go all the way to the Motif XF... you can get most of its capabilities at a lower cost out of the new MOXF, and you can even get a lot of its sounds out of the even lower cost MX if you really want to keep the cost down (the mx49 goes for $500). An Electro 4D along with a MOXF8 would be a particularly nice combination, I think.

Hi,

The MOXF is 990€ and has all the sound of the actual Motif XF and a memory expansion slot too.
Remark : Yamaha may (or not) release a new board to replace the actual Motif, in 2014.

In the sample section of a NE4D, you'll have to select your sounds from the Nord Sample Library.
You can load 68Mb of them, that means, for instance, a set like that :

SynthPad2__ste CLv4.nsmp 1 726 358
P5 Saw Unison BR.nsmp 2 003 345
NL3 Prophet6_ste PH.nsmp 1 823 894
Air magic carpet.nsmp 5 824 394
DXPiano_ste_PH.nsmp 2 434 637
DX7 II Double Tines_Tine.nsmp 473 630
Ch Fem Male.nsmp 2 070 020
Choir Aahs_ste BR.nsmp 4 297 727
OrchStrings Sust_Vib_ste KHv4.nsmp 5 233 844
FullStrings2__SRv4.nsmp 2 684 573
FullStrings1__ste SRv4.nsmp 4 452 032
FullOrchestra__ste SRv4.nsmp 3 914 441
Trumpet Sus_S_MF.nsmp 7 078 265
Sax Sus_S_MF.nsmp 8 329 850
Brass Section Pop 1_ste BR.nsmp 5 537 882
CathedralOrgan5__ste SRv4.nsmp 4 844 462
Weltmeister4_Acordion_PSv4.nsmp 2 285 285


And into the piano section, 128 Mb can host this set for instance :

~120 Mb in 5 files :

Clavinet D6 5.0.npno 5 894 730
EPiano 4 Mk V ClosIdeal 5.3.npno 7 511 534
EPiano 2 Mk I ClosIdeal 5.3.npno 6 049 052
Bright Grand YaS4 Lrg 5.3.npno 90 829 062
Electric Grand 1 CP80 5.3.npno 8 879 992

( Taking a medium version of the YaS4 allow to take a second A.Piano - Bosendorfer medium version for instance )

The NE is monotimbral : you can't layer a sample (pad, string) and a piano. You can't layer the organ.

All that said, at the end of the day, I plaid both board, the NE4D was way more fun to play & hear.

Good luck (take both boards if possibles ! )

Hi Frank... thanks for now.... do you know where can i find a demo mp3 with all accordions from the accordion library? not only a few of them... thanks

Hi, I bought my NE 4D SW 61 four weeks ago and I´m in love with this amazing keyboard. At last I used the Yamaha Motif XS, the KORG Tritons Classic and Studio and last but not least my very good fellow, the Yamaha KX88 from 1988. Now I should sell the Motif and the Triton, `cause the nordlibrary give me all samples and sounds I should need in our Coverband (Songs 60ties to 90ties). The KX88 is not for sale, I should take it with me on stage sometimes, to have optional 88 fine keys to play the Pianosounds from my NE 4D via midi. Greetings from germany and merry christmas to you.

One thing to keep in mind is that the Nord Electro can only produce one sound at a time.

If you need to play both, say, a piano and a flute, or an organ and a synth, at the same time, you're going to need a Nord Stage.

The Motif can play multiple sounds at the same time, but it's a stupid, convoluted mess to program (sounds great, though).
The Nord pianos are nicer, though, IMO, and the organ on the Nords is in a completely different league from the Motif.

The cheapest Electro 4 plus the NL4 has a similar price to a NS288. That is an interesting combination too.

anotherscott wrote:

cfehlberg wrote:i never had played a motif xf but i heard it is good if we wanna use hammond or nord sounds inside it.. or can i have. nord electro 4d and have both hammond and some motif xf sounds on it? or can i have hammond and have motif and nord samples on it?

No. This misconception probably comes from the fact that both instruments can be loaded with custom samples, but there are a lot of limitations in doing that. You could load a sample of a Nord organ sound into a Motif XF, but it would not give you the ability to alter the drawbars, it would not give you the Nord's rotary speaker effect, etc. You could load a sample of a Motif sound into the Nord, but again with none of the Yamaha's processing or its ability to generate different variations of the sounds at different velocities, or with release samples, etc. So either way, there are some sounds you can get pretty good facsimiles out of in a transfer to the other, but others that will be only shadows of the original. (And either way, to even attempt it, you'd have to have a Nord and a Yamaha at your disposal to begin with.)

The Nord is a much better organ than any Yamaha; piano is a tougher call, especially with the Motif XF (or MOXF) which allows you to load additional piano sounds besides the stock versions. For the other sounds you mentioned (strings, brass, flutes, accordion, sax), I'd give the edge to the Yamaha, though there are some very nice Nord sounds for some of these things as well. The Yamaha has a lot more versatility in terms of things like your ability to edit, split, and layer the sounds.

If you like Nord sounds and Yamaha sounds, I'd say forget about trying to get the sounds of one into the other, and use both keyboards. To keep cost down, you don't have to go all the way to the Motif XF... you can get most of its capabilities at a lower cost out of the new MOXF, and you can even get a lot of its sounds out of the even lower cost MX if you really want to keep the cost down (the mx49 goes for $500). An Electro 4D along with a MOXF8 would be a particularly nice combination, I think.

hi anotherscott

what do you mean with "The Nord is a much better organ than any Yamaha; piano is a tougher call, especially with the Motif XF (or MOXF) which allows you to load additional piano sounds besides the stock versions."

i didnt get "tougher call piano" ... do u think yamaha is better sound or nord?

on more thing for everyone.... dont you miss a pitch bend or a modulation wheel on ne4?

can i use a midi controler to fix it?

thanks

cfehlberg wrote:hi anotherscott

what do you mean with "The Nord is a much better organ than any Yamaha; piano is a tougher call, especially with the Motif XF (or MOXF) which allows you to load additional piano sounds besides the stock versions."

i didnt get "tougher call piano" ... do u think yamaha is better sound or nord?

"tougher call" means there's no obvious choice... some people will prefer one, some people will prefer the other. Personally, I like the Nord piano better than the stock piano I had in my MOX, but with the MOXF, you also have the ability to load in additional pianos (including some nice 3rd-party options), which I intend to look into more myself.

cfehlberg wrote:on more thing for everyone.... dont you miss a pitch bend or a modulation wheel on ne4?

can i use a midi controler to fix it?

You cannot add wheels over MIDI to control the Electro's internal sounds. Wheels are not typically used for the sounds the Electro was designed for; and modulation wheels typically control an LFO and there is no LFO per se in the Nord. It may help to remember that the Nord was never designed to be a synthesizer. It's designed for pianos, organs, and sample playback. As it happens, as the sample library expanded, they included some synth sounds, but that doesn't make the Nord a synth. Essentially it is merely playing back recordings of synth sounds, without providing much ability to modify them.

Chorleter1

Tell us. How much fun have u got until now with your new NE4? ANY complains? How about the free memory space for new sounds from Nord library. Is it good or more memory necessary For u?
Can u post a mp3 with all accordions available in tge library pls?
Does it also have pipe organs for church music?


Tks