Nord User Forum

hi
looking for some vst tool probably specific sampler which can at once export each note from loaded audio file separately in a separate audio file. because as I understand to make a complete sound for all keys Nord Sample Editor need minimum of 6 octaves that is 72 notes, otherwise it can not independently create the lowermost and highest octave. probable such a tool should to save all files on the size of the lowest note or cut every to own size remove silence considering that the wave is stretched with the lowering of tone. in theory guess the first case is more reliable, tracks can be processed after

If you sample every key, you will end up with a massive sample set... Maybe sampling less notes makes no noticeable difference.
Also you do not need to export all to different files. The sample manager can use more than one sound from the same file, so it might be much simpler to create a midi file that plays the keys you need sequentially and record everything in one go.

2 to 3 samples per octave is generally enough in my experience. The Nords will repitch samples if you press a key for which a sample isn't present and normally you won't really be able to hear this, especially if you're not playing it as a solo instrument.

I've used Ableton Live for sampling multiple notes in a repeatable way. I just draw a single note in the 'piano roll' and then copy and transpose that note, with say one note per 1-2 bars (depending on how much release it has, etc). I do this so I can easily seperate the notes later on since every sample will start at the start of a bar and will have a fixed length; silence at the end of a sample compresses very well and is not a big issue. If you're clever, you can create samples with have an attack portion, a sustain (which can be repeated by the Nord) and a release. By scaling the velocities, you can easily create sets of samples recorded at multiple velocities.

I'm sure you could do something like this with most DAW software. You could investigate SampleRobot, which is an application which is pretty much meant for doing stuff like this in an automated fashion. I thought doing it in a DAW was efficient enough though.

Edit: I just noticed this is in the Wave section, not Stage or Electro. Given the fact that the Wave can do so much more with samples than the Stage 2/Electro, I think a clean set of samples of the oscillators of different synths is a great thing to have. For example, you could sample the oscillators of vintage synths (if you have access to those). Using those, the Wave can sound a bit like those synths of old. The similarity is limited though, since the specific sound of the filter is a big part of the sound of a synth (even digital ones) and you won't get that with oscillator samples. You can of course sample notes including filter sound (i.e. sounds with an filter envelope applied to them), but applying the Wave's own filters to samples like that (which already were affected by a filter) can sound weird and 'wrong'.

Mr_-G- wrote:If you sample every key, you will end up with a massive sample set... Maybe sampling less notes makes no noticeable difference.
Also you do not need to export all to different files. The sample manager can use more than one sound from the same file, so it might be much simpler to create a midi file that plays the keys you need sequentially and record everything in one go.

thanks for the quick answer

I do not quite understand how I create a one midi file with all note of my audio file sound which then should be entered into the Sample Editor for further processing..?

mjbrands wrote:2 to 3 samples per octave is generally enough in my experience. The Nords will repitch samples if you press a key for which a sample isn't present and normally you won't really be able to hear this, especially if you're not playing it as a solo instrument.

thanks for the quick answer

as I did it:

C5, C#5, D5, D#5, E5, F5, F#5, G5, G#5, A5, A#5, B5

and as you say, if I understand correctly 2 or 3 for each octave right? with two samples for example:

C1, F1, ... C5, F5, C6, F6, C7, F7, C8, F8, C9, F9 etc

mjbrands wrote:I've used Ableton Live for sampling multiple notes in a repeatable way. I just draw a single note in the 'piano roll' and then copy and transpose that note, with say one note per 1-2 bars (depending on how much release it has, etc). I do this so I can easily seperate the notes later on since every sample will start at the start of a bar and will have a fixed length; silence at the end of a sample compresses very well and is not a big issue. If you're clever, you can create samples with have an attack portion, a sustain (which can be repeated by the Nord) and a release. By scaling the velocities, you can easily create sets of samples recorded at multiple velocities.

i'll do the same with piano roll but for each note. then export all notes in the separate audio files on the length of the lowest note, then cut excess silence for high tones and then load them into the Sample Editor for further processing

mjbrands wrote:I'm sure you could do something like this with most DAW software. You could investigate SampleRobot, which is an application which is pretty much meant for doing stuff like this in an automated fashion. I thought doing it in a DAW was efficient enough though.

I just downloaded this soft, but do not yet quite figured. first of all I want to understand how to input audio file, because if I load the one audio it does not takes other keys automatically. so if I must prepare the samples corresponding to the notes this is a useless, because I can do the same with the piano roll

maxbau wrote:and as you say, if I understand correctly 2 or 3 for each octave right? with two samples for example:

C1, F1, ... C5, F5, C6, F6, C7, F7, C8, F8, C9, F9 etc

Exactly.

maxbau wrote:i'll do the same with piano roll but for each note. then export all notes in the separate audio files on the length of the lowest note, then cut excess silence for high tones and then load them into the Sample Editor for further processing

Why not keep them all the same length (i.e. that of the lowest note)? As far as I know, if you partially select a sample in the Sound Editor (i.e. just a bit beyond the point where the amplitude seems to become 0) only the bit you have selected is actually exported. In other words, the Sound Manager will only export the bits you want it to export. I haven't tested if this is true though (and I don't have a Nord that can use samples anymore).

maxbau wrote:I just downloaded this soft, but do not yet quite figured.

I've never used it. This video seems somewhat useful:

maxbau wrote:first of all I want to understand how to input audio file, because if I load the one audio it does not takes other keys automatically.

You use it with a synth (either a physical keyboard or a software synth) with MIDI input. The video above uses a VST, but it would work pretty much the same with hardware.

Edit: there's also this one.

mjbrands wrote:

maxbau wrote:and as you say, if I understand correctly 2 or 3 for each octave right? with two samples for example:

C1, F1, ... C5, F5, C6, F6, C7, F7, C8, F8, C9, F9 etc

Exactly.

so this is what I need, thank you very much

mjbrands wrote:

maxbau wrote:i'll do the same with piano roll but for each note. then export all notes in the separate audio files on the length of the lowest note, then cut excess silence for high tones and then load them into the Sample Editor for further processing

Why not keep them all the same length (i.e. that of the lowest note)? As far as I know, if you partially select a sample in the Sound Editor (i.e. just a bit beyond the point where the amplitude seems to become 0) only the bit you have selected is actually exported. In other words, the Sound Manager will only export the bits you want it to export. I haven't tested if this is true though (and I don't have a Nord that can use samples anymore).

when I was doing samples for each note the size of all was just so huge that the sample editor could not even load them. thats why I need to cut them, but now I do not need this

maxbau wrote:when I was doing samples for each note the size of all was just so huge that the sample editor could not even load them. thats why I need to cut them, but now I do not need this

Ah, okay, that makes sense. I never had those huge samples, as I cut them up straight away.