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When you purchase an Electro, you are getting one piano, one organ and one synthesizer. When you purchase a Stage, your are getting two pianos, two organs, and two synthesizers. That's the main difference in pricing and why I think the Stage series used to be a pretty good value.

You are describing exactly the Stage.
Now that the 4 is out, if you're patient you can probably find good deals on a used NS3, which will give you almost everything you want.

Pedal noise is a fetish. There is no other way to describe it. It's a quest for digital verisimilitude that reaches far beyond any musical or creative requirements. Any keyboard manufacturer who samples it and then proudly advertises it as a feature is a carny barker.

Maybe we should also ask for wood creak (you know, when you sit down on a bench, it creaks). Or castor roll - that essential sound piano wheels make when you move your old Baldwin upright an inch or so to the right. Separate settings for a wood floor or carpet, of course. Or the occasional crash of dishware from the bar kitchen. Or sirens, to help us feel we are playing in a club in Chicago.

If you are at the point where you are lobbying Clavia, a company that never responds to their customers about anything, to install optional pedal noise on their keyboards, you need to get back to practicing your scales. Both hands, with eyes closed.

Gambold wrote:digital verisimilitude

Term of the week!

Gambold wrote:Pedal noise is a fetish. There is no other way to describe it. It's a quest for digital verisimilitude that reaches far beyond any musical or creative requirements. Any keyboard manufacturer who samples it and then proudly advertises it as a feature is a carny barker.

Maybe we should also ask for wood creak (you know, when you sit down on a bench, it creaks). Or castor roll - that essential sound piano wheels make when you move your old Baldwin upright an inch or so to the right. Separate settings for a wood floor or carpet, of course. Or the occasional crash of dishware from the bar kitchen. Or sirens, to help us feel we are playing in a club in Chicago.

If you are at the point where you are lobbying Clavia, a company that never responds to their customers about anything, to install optional pedal noise on their keyboards, you need to get back to practicing your scales. Both hands, with eyes closed.

not to forget the rattling sound of whiskey bottles and glasses placed on the top of the piano

>You're not making sense at all because we have that option since what? S2?<

I have an Electro 6 and there is, thankfully, no "pedal noise" option. I would like that rattling whiskey bottles one that Schorsch mentioned...

If this is a feature that's on the Stage, well, I'm sorry for Stage owners who would much rather have more memory on their Stage 4s than something as witless as pedal noise.

NeFerreira wrote:

Gambold wrote: If this is a feature that's on the Stage, well, I'm sorry for Stage owners who would much rather have more memory on their Stage 4s than something as witless as pedal noise.

More memory or pedal noise? More memory of course, I am with you in that.

This is only a debating trick: suggest something better as alternative to the proposition and everyone obviously agrees.

But there is no such choice: If pedal noise was removed it would not substantially increase memory on the Stage 3 - or, no memory on the Stage 3 was sacrificed to introduce pedal noise. It's a false contradiction.

In other words: there are no real arguments against pedal noise because there was no 'cost' to the introduction. All Gambold has left is a personal dislike of pedal noise. No problem. Just don't use it.

>Gambold, you took a rather extreme stance about pedal noise, but where would you put the line between the "inherent" sound of the instrument, which is the musical part and which should be imitated as closely as possible, and the "peripherals", which are not only to be avoided but even ridiculed as you did?<

No sure how "extreme" my stance was. I simply commented that digitally creating pedal noise seemed a little ludicrous. If you want to sound like a real acoustic piano, with it's pedal noise, creaking wood, out of tune keys and the rest - then play one.

To the argument that " well I can't bring on to the local bar, only a digital" the easy response is your audience isn't going to hear your emulated pedal noise anyway. It's fetishizing the sample process. It's a digital keyboard, so it sounds like a digital keyboard. Don't like it, don't play it.