Nord Stage 4: store volumes in layer scenes

[Fonkyzeus]

Hi all,

I'm a happy owner of a Nord Stage 4 Compact ,
and totally in love with the logical reasoning of the engineers.

The layer scenes are also a really good idea and are a very useful addition. However, the scenes only take into account the state of the on/off buttons.

I'd like to make a suggestion to Nord, but only if you agree it's a good one:

It would be useful if the volumes of the parts would be saved in the layer scenes, instead of only taking into account the on/off state.

So let me hear you: do you like this idea, or would you rather stick to rhe current behaviour?

[Mattms]

Change volume, but also effect changes or even a sound layer change would be awesome
It would be a new super powerful A/B panel, but I think they can't do it because it's too much for their engine, and if they already can, they are keeping it for the Stage 5

[Graspieper]

'Sound and effects changes' would not be unfeasible with current engine, as changing programs seamlessly is currently already possible?
Either how, I take your answer as a yes

[Mattms]

I meant sound and effect changes would be like a new program, so it would be like 2 programs in 1, so 1024 locations instead of 512
So a lot more information, and if it was possible I think we'd have 10GB memory for Piano and samples and 1500 locations
Or they actually can do it but they slowly increase it to make new keyboards ?

Maybe I'm all wrong but I don't see another way

(Sorry if there is mistakes I'm not English )

Anyway, you can take my answer as a yes !

[spradders]

I didn't realise volume levels were not saved independently in Scene II !!
YES!

[Chinmusic]

I've discovered that I cannot program a split in layer 2 without it affecting layer 1. Am I missing something? The A/B switching in Stage 3 is much more useful and powerful and without than functionality or Song settings it's very difficult to save complex song scenes and navigate to them without dedicating banks to a specific band, genre, project, etc.

Would love this to be addressed.

[OlivierB]

I've discovered that I cannot program a split in layer 2 without it affecting layer 1. Am I missing something? The A/B switching in Stage 3 is much more useful and powerful and without than functionality or Song settings it's very difficult to save complex song scenes and navigate to them without dedicating banks to a specific band, genre, project, etc.

Would love this to be addressed.

No, you're not missing anything. Whether we're talking Layers or Panels, in both cases the splits set up for a program apply across all, and the split assignment on each organ, piano, and synth doesn't change. However with the NS3 you could have all three instruments on A, switch to the other three on B, or combine both panels; with the NS4 you can't have three different states (Layer Scene 1, Layer Scene 2, and Layer Scene 1 & 2) without some level morphing.

[Philipp]

Layer scene can do the same as A/B panel and more.
Panel A had 1st layer of each section that you could turn on or off, B had the 2nd layer of each section.
Layer scene A has all layers available and so does B. You can recreate the exact same setup as with the old panel function and have added flexibility of turning on or off any layer you like in each of the two layer scenes.

EDIT: There's one thing the new layer scene cannot do. With A/B panel you could have either or both on. With layer scene you can only switch between two setups. In return you are not limited to one layer per section for a scene.

[Chinmusic]

I've discovered that I cannot program a split in layer 2 without it affecting layer 1. Am I missing something? The A/B switching in Stage 3 is much more useful and powerful and without than functionality or Song settings it's very difficult to save complex song scenes and navigate to them without dedicating banks to a specific band, genre, project, etc.

Would love this to be addressed.

No, you're not missing anything. Whether we're talking Layers or Panels, in both cases the splits set up for a program apply across all, and the split assignment on each organ, piano, and synth doesn't change. However with the NS3 you could have all three instruments on A, switch to the other three on B, or combine both panels; with the NS4 you can't have three different states (Layer Scene 1, Layer Scene 2, and Layer Scene 1 & 2) without some level morphing.

Thanks. Obviously, we will all adapt BUT the big drop off for me is the organization options. You can't layer programs,(I like Fanclub Piano but can't layer 2 it without rebuilding it by copying all the FX, etc.) can't split separate layers, can't use different instances of organ fx in layers. Kinda robs you of a convenient one-button program switch. Plus without songs, it's way more difficult to organize song/artist/band/set-specific programs and still keep your banks open for shopping new programs and sounds. The faders and layers of effects are great for building programs and playing live but I play with lots of different artists. Not being able to store and organize those and switch patches like piano to a split piano and organ with one touch is regressive to Stage 2.

[Fonkyzeus]

Hi all,

I'm a happy owner of a Nord Stage 4 Compact ,
and totally in love with the logical reasoning of the engineers.

The layer scenes are also a really good idea and are a very useful addition. However, the scenes only take into account the state of the on/off buttons.

I'd like to make a suggestion to Nord, but only if you agree it's a good one:

It would be useful if the volumes of the parts would be saved in the layer scenes, instead of only taking into account the on/off state.

So let me hear you: do you like this idea, or would you rather stick to rhe current behaviour?

I totally gree with you : first touching the instrument, which is great sounding, I don't understand why small paramètres (as volume) can't be changed between layer I and Ii. It seems like they stopped in the middle of développement !

If it's not done, you should ask for it.

Coming from NS 2 I made some other demandes :
- using kb aux on NS2, when you use a morph on the AuxKb channel (using another midi keyboard), it doesn't affect the same morph on the NS,
- asking for a direct, catch, relative mode for volume sliders to avoid actual big jump when the sliders are away from the memorised volume
- control Pédale is not working as intended when used on external : there is a bug, even if you disabled its action in paramètres, expression messages are transmitted. Even if you put "off" the synth section assigned to external message still transmitted ! Very dangerous !

Bests regards