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Does anyone know the signal path chain of the Efx on the Stage 3 and does it differ from the Stage 2???I have noticed some sonic differences in the Patchs I have converted over with the same Efx

I'm currently copying over some of my own made Programs from the Stage 2 into my Stage 3,most convert no problem,however I was replicating an Acoustic Piano patch I had made which I had run through the Rotary speaker,and then into a Stage Reverb,on the Stage 2 the reverb sounded more 3 dimensional and wide,but on the Stage 3,when the Patch was run through the Rotary and then the same Reverb settings it sounded less wide and almost as if it was mono the reverb was flat in comparison(no I haven't got it set to output mono)and the settings I have done both by ear and also copying the exact settings on my Stage 3,Its nothing to do with the Piano samples either as they are identical,(other than being in the New sample Format)all the other Patches I have converted sound identical,so thought it could maybe be a difference with the EFX signal routing chain.

I thought that the sounds were run through the Efx and then to the reverb,or does the Rotary speaker come after the reverb in the stage 3?? obviously the Stage 2 Reverb is global to both slots where as the Stage 3 is per slot,even though the Patch i had made was a single slot wouldn't have made any difference to the Reverb width or does it?

is the Signal routing EFX chain different on the Stage 3...

Yes, IIRC, the NS3 puts the reverb before the rotary effect (simulating organs that have reverb units in them), whereas the NS2/2EX put the reverb after the rotary effect (simulating a studio effect on a mic'd up Leslie, or a room effect). To duplicate the NS2 approach on the 3, you'll need an external reverb source.

anotherscott wrote:Yes, IIRC, the NS3 puts the reverb before the rotary effect (simulating organs that have reverb units in them), whereas the NS2/2EX put the reverb after the rotary effect (simulating a studio effect on a mic'd up Leslie, or a room effect). To duplicate the NS2 approach on the 3, you'll need an external reverb source.

Thanks...I thought it had to be the FX routing chain

I did look at the Rotor options in the Global menus as it has different types of rotor simulation But still the same regardless of which model its using

I wonder why they decided to change the FX chain routing for the 3..Seems Odd..Unless it was because of the Newer Organ modelling over the Stage 2's It a Shame they don't allow the routing signal to be changed globally if you prefer that routing chain so it can be identical to the Stage 2.

Oh well... suppose it gives me a reason to keep hold of the S2...

I'm still not sure if the reverb of the NS2 comes *after* the Rotary...
Initially I thought that too but when I was converting sounds from NS2 -> NS3 and listened really closely the reverb was also before the rotary.

The main difference is that on NS2 it doesn't sound so "swirly" as on the NS3 where it's more pronounced and more obvious.
Maybe it has to do with using the 'Close' setup for Rotary.

If you have both machines there maybe you can confirm or deny this ?

On page 39 of the last NS2 manual it says this :

About the Rotary effect’s signal routing
The Rotary effect is placed after the panel effects in Nord Stage 2’s
signal path. It also sums audio signals if both Slot A and B are active.
This means that if you are using a split organ setup for example, both
“manuals” will be affected by the Rotary effect (just like on the real
thing).

So from that I extrapolate that the Rotary is the very last effect in any chain...

No, that just says that Rotary effect is placed after the Slot A/B Effects Sections and sums A+B, not that it is before the Reverb; on NS2 the Global effects chain is Rotary -> Compressor -> Reverb

RichardG wrote:I'm still not sure if the reverb of the NS2 comes *after* the Rotary...

It does. There was months of whining and hand-wringing discussion on these forums when the S3 came out over this routing change.

Many, like myself, prefer the reverb before the Leslie, like it is on my Hammonds, but some were quite up in arms about it.

Funny, Hammond just added Leslie-after-Reverb as a feature in their new SK Pro. (Though I believe the behavior is user-configurable.) Check this video at 5:30

anotherscott wrote:Funny, Hammond just added Leslie-after-Reverb as a feature in their new SK Pro. (Though I believe the behavior is user-configurable.) Check this video at 5:30

The behavior is configurable on the original SK's as well, but I've forgotten about earlier HS models- I expect configurable.