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Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 07:07
by kingy75
Hey all,

I'm looking to purchase a Nord Stage 3 but have some questions

- Can I import user samples and play them?
- The Nord fixed split point thing seems rather limiting but I'd love some user opinions if anyone has any.
- Does the sound cut off when I change sounds?
- Can I create a bank of sounds for quick access on a gig (e.g. using a few different patches/splits/layers during a song)?
- Can anyone compare it to the Roland RD-2000? Any thoughts on which you prefer?

Also how many samples can I store in the keyboard at one time? If I use a wide variety of sounds would I need to load a different set of samples before each gig?

Thanks!

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 09:56
by MartinJ2EX
You’re ain’t gonna regret getting a Stage 3 - it masters every point on your list ;)
Pretty much every info you’d like to know can be found on the first page of its introduction
https://www.nordkeyboards.com/products/nord-stage-3
Also, just read the specifications and the manual :)
https://www.nordkeyboards.com/products/ ... ifications
https://www.nordkeyboards.com/sites/def ... on%20L.pdf

1) Yes, you can. https://www.nordkeyboards.com/software- ... e-editor-3
Keep in mind that you can only sample 1 velocity (not multiple layers, this is reserved to Nord Piano Samples npno only)
2) I never found it to be limiting on S2EX - and the Stage 3 also has the Split Crossfade feature
3) No. biggest upgrade wih S3 was “Seamless Transitions”
4) There is “ Song Mode - 8 Banks with 50 Songs each (400 Songs in total). Each Song has 5 Song Parts (Programs)”

5) Just search this forum for RD2000, I think I read some comparisons in the past.

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 10:53
by analogika
kingy75 wrote:- The Nord fixed split point thing seems rather limiting but I'd love some user opinions if anyone has any.
It is limiting if you're used to something like a Kronos or Mainstage, where you can easily assign a sample to a single key somewhere on the keyboard. It's not "that kind" of a keyboard. While you can build custom samples in the Nord Sample editor and assign individual sounds to different keys there, the Nord really is built for more "broad" strokes than surgical programming — Strings in this region, horns over here, and a piano layered up to about here, with an organ for the chorus under everything; that kind of thing.

The addition of Split Crossfade in the Stage 3 is a huge thing for me, as you can set a split point to be a hard cut, a quick fade (over +/- about three semitones) or a soft fade (+/- about six semitones), which means that you can gently transition from one string sound to another, or add flutes or another sound over a region and have them appear without harshly cutting in or out when you play past a certain point. It makes for extremely organic playing.

If I need the "surgical" programming, with single note samples and forty layers in a single song, I use MainStage, rather than the Nord.
kingy75 wrote:- Does the sound cut off when I change sounds?
Stage 3 added seamless transitions, finally.
kingy75 wrote:- Can I create a bank of sounds for quick access on a gig (e.g. using a few different patches/splits/layers during a song)?
In addition to the song mode mentioned by Martin, I've found it *extremely* flexible in another manner:

Because a Nord Stage program ALWAYS includes two organs, two pianos, two synths, (one of each on Slot A and Slot B) and a full set of effects for each slot, even if they are switched off, or the slot isn't active, you get a lot of options even from one single program.

Example:
My go-to piano patch is just a single grand piano on slot A, with reverb and some EQ. Whenever I need a little padding, I already have a subtle synth pad with stereo delay on the same slot, that I can just switch on for the second verse for a little magic.
But the bridge needs some thick strings, too — so I switch to Slot B (seamlessly), where the same piano is already layered with strings from the synth engine.
And then I can add an organ for the final chorus just by switching it on — because it's already there.
All from a single program.

Having only two engines of each on only two slots is, of course extremely limited compared to something like a Kronos, but I've actually been in the middle of gigs and decided to add an organ to the next chorus on whatever program I was playing at the time, so I set it up as I was playing the verse and had it ready for switching in by the chorus. I wouldn't dream of trying something like that on another machine.
kingy75 wrote:Also how many samples can I store in the keyboard at one time? If I use a wide variety of sounds would I need to load a different set of samples before each gig?
The sample format is pretty compact, so you can get a lot onto the machine. The machine is "instant on" with full access to all on-board samples right after boot (about ten seconds). Loading samples onto the is pretty slow. The sample memory for the synth engine is entirely separate from the piano memory, and pianos are proprietary and cannot be created by the user, so there is no "mix and match" if you run out of sample memory. Memory is a special kind and is soldered on, so it is not expandable.

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 25 Apr 2020, 11:10
by kingy75
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply guys, that's very helpful info.

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 27 Apr 2020, 01:35
by anotherscott
analogika wrote:Stage 3 added seamless transitions, finally.
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Because a Nord Stage program ALWAYS includes two organs, two pianos, two synths, (one of each on Slot A and Slot B) and a full set of effects for each slot, even if they are switched off, or the slot isn't active, you get a lot of options even from one single program.
All true, but it's also worth noting that not all changes made within a single program will be seamless.

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 16:44
by Elias
anotherscott wrote:All true, but it's also worth noting that not all changes made within a single program will be seamless.
What kinds of things do you mean by this?

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 28 Apr 2020, 17:05
by analogika
Elias wrote:
anotherscott wrote:All true, but it's also worth noting that not all changes made within a single program will be seamless.
What kinds of things do you mean by this?
If you turn off a synth engine, for example, it will just cut off the note (though reverb and delay will continue to decay). Same for piano.

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 20:28
by LeftyBass68
Now for some critique.Nord Stage3-HA88 is a work in progress,have to justify the $ somehow.
Yawns from Nordaholics that follow them anywhere and love these guys regardless.They aren't forthcoming with all the available info,"I love mine" etc. is what you'll get from them.
I play some Nord,and others.No single keyboard can do it all,and the Stage tries hard to convince us otherwise.Good luck with that Nord.

There are two versions of Stage 3.Have a good look at the differences.Happy to share my opinions and experience,more than a floor salesman at retail will ever tell you.that's for sure!
Don't pay full pop for version 1. Stage 3 version 2 available since early 2019.This series was rushed to market with an inferior operating system,glad I hung on to my 2016 Stage2-EX88.
I have no real need for OLED info,the older window still works fine for me.If I want a nice window, will get a Korg.I like the external midi menu on the '2' better.
People will rush to defend their expenditures,even when they are left wanting more.As an investment my returns were bigger on earlier versions.
If I was in the market for a '3',only a bargain on an early version Compact would remotely interest me.If the lowest note was still F I would never have bought one.
The 76 key version has really inferior 'return' on the piano action that hurt my wrists and hands.Garbage for fast playing.At least the 88 plays nice.Nicer than the Nord Grand IMO.
Won't be getting one of those.The Compact plays great,even pianos are mostly playable.

Stage 3 B3 organ doesn't have the 9th drawbar 'cancel' when percussion engaged,like a real B3! The C2D does,as do older Electros.So much for 'respect and tradition'.
Using up the one 'preset' available to obtain this 'feature' on Panel A.The Electro 5 has a bigger B3 menu than a '6'.Still not a C2D though.Nord no longer actively looking for jazzer 'likes'.
Oh well,the youngsters that design this stuff have no idea and it is obvious they never played the real deal.Looking good in the photo ops with really slick website though!
The Leslie sim is dreadful compared to a Neo Ventilator IMO(and many others concur),that has been around for over ten years.So much for the 3 being 'flagship' in 2017 when released?
Mostly other brand names still in use around rock and roll for very good reason,pianos are what 'save' Nord.
Benmont Tench did an excellent job hiding his Nords in shells on the last TP tour.


So much $, for the Stage 3 to be called 'flagship' without 'real B3' features? Nord still 'seamless' emptying our wallets though, while pro players shake heads?
We are still waiting for controller 89 to be implemented on our Electro2's,for the ninth drawbar cancel? Oh,you forgot and moved on? I didn't.
Bad on you Nord for promising what you never delivered.Lazy greedy little gen-xrz that can't be trusted to keep their word.Lazy like the Swedish 'effort' during covid-19!
Never once in 50 years has a Swede led the Canucks to an NHL championship,come playoffs the Swedes always disappear.Totally incapable of developing a Sid Crosby.

The biggest single glaring mistake Nord made on the Stage3 besides the glitchy operating system? Set split points! Hope you like C or F.
The 'soft overlap' almost works for me,I play in a few 'guitar bands' that would benefit from an A or E or D split point.
Fully selectable splits and layers would get Nord where they need to be.I would like to assign the synth voices shared with samples allocating only what I need per panel.
Getting a 'pad' and 'lead' and a sample at the same time isn't going to happen on a 3.Yamaha,Korg,Roland,Kurzweil,will all do that and more for less money.
Again the pianos save the Nord,virtually every other 'comp' by another brand blows the technical abilities of Nord right out of the water.

I prefer the Stage 3 Compact,am 'moving' this Stage3 88 and obtaining a Yamaha Montage.Will continue to enjoy the Stage 2 EX88.It still holds two XL pianos,no need
for filters like the 3,sounds and plays every bit as well piano wise, IMO.Pedal program changes,seamless patch changes,a fourth 'zone' all helpful on the Compact3 more than an 88 IMO.
Stage 3 Compact early version is the best smaller keyboard available IMO.The keyboard feels better than any Korg,Yamaha,Roland 61 or 73/76 I have played,and sounds great.

Have never had an issue with the older rotary encoders.The newer ones have dials that go missing and 'fall off'. I expect better for that kind of money.
Nord already knows we don't like them.Still doesn't mean they will 'fix' this though.

FWIW here are my ratings of the Stage series.
Stage Classic gets a +6/10,StageEX gets a +7/10,Stage 2 gets a +8/10,Stage 2EX gets a +9/10,Stage 3 gets a +7.5/10,just too many issues for the money IMO.

If the new Yamaha YC61 gets a +8 from me,will be satisfied.Still waiting for mine.Will be interested to try Montage88/YC61 paired up.
Want to wager which pair will win out?

Re: Nord Stage 3 pre-purchase questions

Posted: 29 Apr 2020, 21:31
by anotherscott
analogika wrote:
Elias wrote:
anotherscott wrote:All true, but it's also worth noting that not all changes made within a single program will be seamless.
What kinds of things do you mean by this?
If you turn off a synth engine, for example, it will just cut off the note (though reverb and delay will continue to decay). Same for piano.
Right. Same if, within a program, you decide to call up a different synth preset, or a different piano model. Any held/sustained/decaying note will cut off as soon as you change that sound.