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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby Mr_-G- » 16 Jan 2020, 01:08

S h a w wrote:they maintained their stereo spread... not sure if the exported .nsmp3 files will be the same


Why should they be any different?
About your other question, the nsmp (and npno) format seems to be closed, so no way to know how that works.
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby S h a w » 16 Jan 2020, 01:55

Mr_-G- wrote:
S h a w wrote:they maintained their stereo spread... not sure if the exported .nsmp3 files will be the same


Why should they be any different?
About your other question, the nsmp (and npno) format seems to be closed, so no way to know how that works.

I can’t think of a reason... I’m just over-thinking and trying to avoid future disappointment. I guess in the back of my mind, summing stereo to mono would help account for 13+ mb of samples being reduced to 4.6 mb.
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby musicaldudeist » 16 Jan 2020, 02:27

It's interesting to note that on Nord's website that the comparison page compares the Wave 2 to the Lead A1, not the Wave.
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby ResonantMind » 16 Jan 2020, 05:12

alex78 wrote:I really don't understand how some people like to complain when we have heard nothing from this new board yet. It's easy to make conclusions just by reading some specs, but how on earth can someone have a strong opinion before laying his hands on one? there is not even a demo video online....I thing we should focus on things we CAN do with this machine and not on those we can not, that where creativity comes from.


Yeah, not sure what all this keybed talk is about.

My complaint is one LFO and significant reduction in routing possibilities.

LFOs are significant in developing individuality to ones own sounds, pads, interesting textures, etc.

At least have additional LFOs in the architecture that can be accessed in the menu.

I fear that the creative output because of some of these reductions will be somewhat "canned" and lacking individuality between users.


one things for sure, I will not be letting go of my Nord Wave original.
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby cgrafx » 16 Jan 2020, 07:23

ResonantMind wrote:Yeah, not sure what all this keybed talk is about.


The talk is about wanting a synth not another piano or organ. I have a stage 3, so I'm not looking for another stage style keyboard. I want something that extends and compliments what I already have. A semi-weighted waterfall keybed is exactly what I don't need.

Here is a partial list of synths with synth style keybeds (None of these mfgs use waterfall keybeds, the only option is synth style or fully weighted where they are targeting piano style players)
- Korg: Arp 2600, Odyssey
- ASM Hydra
- Access Limited Edition Virus / Access Virus TI2
- Arturia MatrixBrute
- Behringer DeepMind 12, MS-1-BK, Poly D, VC340, Odyssey
- Elektron Digitone
- Korg Kross 2-61, MS-20, Prologue, Wavestate, microKORG, minilogue
- Kurzweil PC3K6 61-key
- Modal Electronics Argon8
- Moog Grandmother Semi-Modular, One, Subsequent
- Novation Bass Station II, MiniNova 37-key, Summit 61-key
- Roland AX-Edge, GAIA SH-01, JD-XA, JUNO-DS61, Jupiter-X, Jupiter-Xm, System-1/ System-8
- Sequential OB6, Pro 3, Prophet Rev2, Prophet X 61, Prophet-6
- Studiologic Sledge
- Waldorf Blofeld, Quantum 8-voice, STVC String
- Yamaha MODX6 61-key, MX49/MX61, Montage 6 61-key/76-key
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby tsss27 » 16 Jan 2020, 07:39

Guys...waterfall keyboard just means the edges are round. It has nothing to do with the weights of the keys. Waterfall keys are nice for glissandi and other effects, they're not only for organ. Waterfall is not directly related to key action other than all keyboards with waterfall keys are on the lighter side.
Also the above list has a wide variety of keyboard responses. For example I love the Prophet6 action, but the MatrixBrute's action is awful. Subsequent37 is ok. None feel particularly similar to one another (nor does the Gaia which I have also owned.) Not all are equally responsive. This whole thing just doesn't make sense.
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby DimitrisPl » 16 Jan 2020, 08:04

Watch on youtube.com
Here it is!
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby cgrafx » 16 Jan 2020, 08:23

tsss27 wrote:Guys...waterfall keyboard just means the edges are round. It has nothing to do with the weights of the keys. Waterfall keys are nice for glissandi and other effects, they're not only for organ. Waterfall is not directly related to key action other than all keyboards with waterfall keys are on the lighter side.
Also the above list has a wide variety of keyboard responses. For example I love the Prophet6 action, but the MatrixBrute's action is awful. Subsequent37 is ok. None feel particularly similar to one another (nor does the Gaia which I have also owned.) Not all are equally responsive. This whole thing just doesn't make sense.


Its not just that the edges are round the key also extends all the way to the front of the key. This puts more weight/mass at the end of the key that has to be moved and by simple physics makes them slower.

I'm not claiming all synth actions are great or faster than waterfall actions, just that by design they are a non-traditional selection for a synth and I don't think I'd be going out on a limb expecting that Nord is using the same keybed that is in the Stage 3 Compact.

As I already stated, I don't need another stage style keyboard I already have one. All else being equal I'd much rather have a synth with a synth action.
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby tsss27 » 16 Jan 2020, 09:17

I guess we won't know for sure yet but it could also be the Electro keyboard which is not exactly the same as the NS3C...I believe it is a bit lighter which would make sense in this context.

There are Waterfall boards that respond faster than some normal light ones of similar weight. All I'm saying is waterfall doesn't automatically equal bad. If it is the NS3C keyboard (I see you have one of these,) and you don't enjoy using that for synths, that's understandable...but is that specifically because it is a waterfall board? The main complaint I hear about that keyboard is the stiffness of it. This can allow for very rapid playing but can also require more work at the same time and it's not as smooth or comfortable to play. But that's the spring tension, no? Shouldn't have anything to do with the waterfall keys themselves.
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Re: NEW Nord Wave 2 introduced :)

Postby cgrafx » 16 Jan 2020, 09:48

The waterfall keys are fine on the NS3 and for me appropriate as I use the Stage as an organ more than anything else. The place where the stage lags a bit is in handling fast articulated horn parts. It doesn't help that samples are only single-layer, but that is a different issue. So for me adding a 3rd tier to my keyboard rig has to bring something I don't already have.

Spring tension will affect speed to some degree, but there is much more involved than just tension. Both mass, center of mass (pivot point), and trigger location all play a part in how much time it takes for a key to return to resting position and how quickly it can be triggered in succession. Its a balancing act, as the keys still have to be damped or they will bounce and that isn't desirable either.
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