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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby maxpiano » 12 Sep 2019, 11:01

The changes to be introduced by Mac OS Catalina are a challenge for all, anyway, not just Clavia; see for example https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-Products

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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby GuiliClayder » 12 Sep 2019, 11:17

maxpiano wrote:The changes to be introduced by Mac OS Catalina are a challenge for all, anyway, not just Clavia; see for example https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-Products


Apple has been warning developers FOR YEARS that they would be ending 32-bit support. It's a bit lame to post a warning on your site mere weeks before the release of Catalina, the version which proves Apple wasn't making jokes...
Not upgrading to the latest Mac OS may be a temporary solution for existing users, but what about people buying new Macs right after the release of Catalina ? They will have no way of downgrading to Mojave so they're up 64-bit creek (well, there might be a way to downgrade but it will involve tweaking, something which your average Mac user will not (know how to) do. Maybe NI should have added 'Please do not buy a new Mac if you are using our products'...
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby maurizio » 12 Sep 2019, 11:48

GuiliClayder wrote:
maxpiano wrote:The changes to be introduced by Mac OS Catalina are a challenge for all, anyway, not just Clavia; see for example https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-Products


Apple has been warning developers FOR YEARS that they would be ending 32-bit support.


Well, why do not all cool down ?

This things happens every year, for every Mac OS (or Windows) upgrade. Some year go relatively well, some years are very bad.
I have sold or scrapped equipement because no driver was available anymore (MIDI interfaces, USB Mixer).
This year my Mac Pro will be definitively obsolete because the newest OS will not support it anymore.
I scrapped various paid software because it wasn't compatible anymore with the OS i use (this year, it will be Sibelius 7).
The term perpetual licence is a joke.
And yes, every year you have to wait between six and twelve month before upgrading because you need to wait for new versions of the software you use
(unless you use only Apple software, like Logic and MainStage); this year wait for NI, for Ableton, probably for Cubase, and for Clavia software, and probably more.

This is the state of the business; there are deep economic and technical reasons why things are what they are, and there are no sign of change;
if you do not like this, the only practical solution is to go back to pencil/paper, and a good acoustic piano.

By the way, just bought a Melodica; beside the fact that the sound stand well in the mix with my NE5HP, it doesn't need software updates; well , it
doesn't even need electricity :).

Maurizio

PS: by the way, i realised that the problem is a lot bigger than 32 vs 64 bit; Apple is suppressing a number of 32 APIs that where deprecated in 2012, and not supported any more in new developements, but supported at execution. This means that software wise there may be a lot more work to do that assuring that your C code is portable between 32 and 64 bit machines.
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby analogika » 12 Sep 2019, 12:31

GuiliClayder wrote:
maxpiano wrote:The changes to be introduced by Mac OS Catalina are a challenge for all, anyway, not just Clavia; see for example https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-Products


Apple has been warning developers FOR YEARS that they would be ending 32-bit support. It's a bit lame to post a warning on your site mere weeks before the release of Catalina, the version which proves Apple wasn't making jokes...
Not upgrading to the latest Mac OS may be a temporary solution for existing users, but what about people buying new Macs right after the release of Catalina ?

Once again: CATALINA HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.

THE NUMBER OF USERS AFFECTED BY THIS SCENARIO IS EXACTLY ZERO.

I agree that it’s a bit lame to post that notice now pointing out a problem that doesn’t exist, rather than just release a 64-bit version when Catalina is released, but you might just have this ridiculous thread to thank for that.
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby GuiliClayder » 12 Sep 2019, 13:04

analogika wrote:Once again: CATALINA HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.


It will be in less than 2 weeks...

It's a bit like with electric cars : they're promoting them like crazy but the number of charging stations is completely inadequate. So a message similar to the one from Native Instruments could be : "Don't buy an electric car (yet)" or "only drive your car for short distances" :D

Edit : some reading...
https://cdm.link/2019/09/macos-catalina ... t-to-know/
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby analogika » 12 Sep 2019, 17:47

GuiliClayder wrote:
analogika wrote:Once again: CATALINA HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.


It will be in less than 2 weeks...

It's a bit like with electric cars : they're promoting them like crazy but the number of charging stations is completely inadequate.


No, it's not at all like that. Nobody is selling machines running Catalina yet, and any issues arising with the betas right now are like those public transport trials with hydrogen buses: Nobody expects everything to work perfectly, and everybody running one understands that there will be issues and snags to deal with. That's the whole point of being part of a test program.


Thanks. Apart from another round of security enhancements causing driver and installer issues (which has happened with several upgrades in the past, but not so regularly), it looks like the loss of 32-bit architectures is the only difference to every other major OS upgrade of the past twenty years.
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby Gambold » 16 Sep 2019, 18:08

> I dislike Fatar keybeds in general so any brand using them won't get any thumbs up from me, so it's not just on Nord. But especially Nord shouldn't be using them, not with the prices they're charging.<

Maybe it's time to pile on Fatar about this. The general consensus seems to be that their keybeds stink and are not getting better. Why are they getting a pass? Here, let them know:

http://www.fatar.com/Pages/contatti.asp
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby catosim » 16 Sep 2019, 18:56

I´m seriously considering NOT to install Catalina right away, rather wait a few weeks/months :thumbup:
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby Schorsch » 16 Sep 2019, 18:57

Gambold wrote:> I dislike Fatar keybeds in general so any brand using them won't get any thumbs up from me, so it's not just on Nord. But especially Nord shouldn't be using them, not with the prices they're charging.<

Maybe it's time to pile on Fatar about this. The general consensus seems to be that their keybeds stink and are not getting better. Why are they getting a pass? Here, let them know:

http://www.fatar.com/Pages/contatti.asp


Maybe I'm missing something but is this in any way related to the topic of this thread? :wtf:
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby PScooter63 » 16 Sep 2019, 19:05

catosim wrote:I´m seriously considering NOT to install Catalina right away, rather wait a few weeks/months :thumbup:

Good call, especially if it’s part of your gigging rig... unless there is some new MacOS feature you cannot possibly live without for a few months while the dust settles.

Let someone else sweat out the software development life cycle...
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