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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby GuiliClayder » 09 Sep 2019, 14:35

CountFosco wrote:
GuiliClayder wrote:
Probably not... I mean... not to mention ...

Seriously, though... but honestly... Don't think so...On the other hand... I might have ...All depends...


so, no?


You joker, you :)
In any case, you broke your pinky promise... ;)
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby CountFosco » 09 Sep 2019, 15:26

GuiliClayder wrote: you broke your pinky promise... ;)


Rats! Foiled again
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby phenoplastic » 10 Sep 2019, 16:57

GuiliClayder wrote:
emelenjr wrote:It's like Christmas in September! Clavia Support wrote me again today and let me download 64-bit versions of Sound Manager and the Nord Electro OS updater. If I weren't traveling at the moment, I'd have my Nord with me, but I can confirm that what Clavia is currently beta-testing works with what Apple is currently beta-testing, as in the apps actually open up.

Now that there's a new answer to the question that's central to this post topic, i thought it deserved an update. I'll test the apps out more thoroughly when I can, but it looks like Clavia is at least 90% there in terms of being ready for Catalina. Cheers, all.


Good. Now all we need are iOS versions of their software and we'll really have moved into the 21st century.
This will sound like an annoying rant, and I do recognize the quality of Nord products, but with the prices they're charging, they owe it to their (demanding) customers to support as many platforms as possible.
The fact that they're a small company compared to the likes of Roland or Yamaha is no excuse. Premium prices equal premium support. Full stop.
Imagine buying a BMW 5-series that doesn't support Apple Carplay...


Fully agree with you.
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby Gambold » 11 Sep 2019, 22:23

>The fact that they're a small company compared to the likes of Roland or Yamaha is no excuse. Premium prices equal premium support. <

I'm sorry, you must have missed the memo. CLAVIA CAN DO NO WRONG. THEY DO NOT NEED ANY EXCUSES FOR ANYTHING.*

Suggesting otherwise will get you a dim reception here. This is not an objective forum. It's a club, an appreciation society, and while you can make light grumbles about the lack of this grommet or that widget, calling into question the wisdom of Clavia's marketing, programming, or engineering is not going to win you any cuddles here. You'll quickly be labeled a troll, and depending on the fervor of your calling, the pile-on can become engrossing...

*Well, the Nord piano monitors seem to qualify as an ill-conceived, over-priced frippery plopped out to milk the fanboys. And it's debatable if whatever profits they funneled to Chris Maene wouldn't have been more cleverly spent modernizing the sample library, with better descriptors and a search feature. But that's another thread...
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby Gambold » 11 Sep 2019, 22:29

>I'm pretty sure that I am not the only Nord user who has never downloaded anything<

Sorry, I have to ask. What's your go-to Grand piano?

I don't download much from Nord - their sample library is a bit of a mess and a lot of the back half of the piano libraries get silly (digital hybrids, Beethoven pianos, etc). But their grands, uprights, and EPs are the sauce, and I always look for new ones to try. The recent EP filters were a noticeable improvement for the Rhodes samples, and the White Grand, while not the Super Steinway we were hoping for, is a refreshing return to a classic sample after the 3D experiment and the failed (IMHO) Velvet.
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby CountFosco » 11 Sep 2019, 22:40

Gambold wrote:Sorry, I have to ask. What's your go-to Grand piano?


Sentences with that wiggly thing on the end of them are just going to encourage other people to post, with their opinions and their knowledge and whatnot. What'd you do that for?
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby GuiliClayder » 12 Sep 2019, 09:39

Gambold wrote:*And it's debatable if whatever profits they funneled to Chris Maene wouldn't have been more cleverly spent modernizing the sample library, with better descriptors and a search feature. But that's another thread...


Chris Maene's flagship store is half an hour away from where I live in Belgium. Very impressive with all the acoustic pianos, concert hall, etc. Wonderful to walk around and look at all the goodies. Never seen that many Grand pianos together in one location. I was in awe. They do stock digital pianos but their number pales in comparison to the acoustic models. They also make their own and are apparently internationally renowned.
Still, bit of a 'posh' atmosphere, I thought...

But I don't think I fully understand your post. You make it sound like Chris Maene owns a part of Nord...


Gambold wrote:I'm sorry, you must have missed the memo. CLAVIA CAN DO NO WRONG. THEY DO NOT NEED ANY EXCUSES FOR ANYTHING.*

Suggesting otherwise will get you a dim reception here. This is not an objective forum. It's a club, an appreciation society, and while you can make light grumbles about the lack of this grommet or that widget, calling into question the wisdom of Clavia's marketing, programming, or engineering is not going to win you any cuddles here. You'll quickly be labeled a troll, and depending on the fervor of your calling, the pile-on can become engrossing...


Well, I'm not here to troll or to criticize Nord and on a discussion forum like this, criticism is something that's only natural.
I had been reading and hearing nothing but praise, but that got a bit dented when I discovered how mediocre the keybed was on something like the Stage 3 88 or the Piano 4. Compared with the likes of Roland, Yamaha or Korg, Nord should be ashamed that they release premium boards with that kind of keybed. Still, truth be told, I dislike Fatar keybeds in general so any brand using them won't get any thumbs up from me, so it's not just on Nord. But especially Nord shouldn't be using them, not with the prices they're charging. For comparison : the Piano 4 isn't actually all that expensive at 2500 euro, a bit more than the Yamaha CP88 and Roland RD2000, both around 2200 euro. But the CP88 and RD2000 both have much much better keybeds than the Piano 4, and I'm forgetting Korg's Grandstage, which also easily beats the Piano 4.
The Nord Grand is a big improvement with the Kawai keybed : the RH3 is the best plastic keybed there is, so I hope that Nord will start working together with Kawai in the future instead of Fatar. But to put things in perspective : Kawai MP7SE costs 1350 euro, the Nord Grand 3350 euro. Your mileage or anyone else's mileage may vary, but the Nord sound library isn't worth 2000 euro to me...
I did consider the Grand briefly, though, but opted for the MP11SE in the end.
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby maxpiano » 12 Sep 2019, 11:01

The changes to be introduced by Mac OS Catalina are a challenge for all, anyway, not just Clavia; see for example https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-Products

Native Instruments software and hardware products are not supported under macOS 10.15. Please do not install macOS 10.15 if you are using Native Instruments products.

We are currently conducting systematic tests to offer full compatibility as soon as possible after the official release. Please check this page or your Native Instruments product's specifications page regularly to obtain information on the current operating system requirements.

(This article has been last updated on September 10th, 2019)
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby GuiliClayder » 12 Sep 2019, 11:17

maxpiano wrote:The changes to be introduced by Mac OS Catalina are a challenge for all, anyway, not just Clavia; see for example https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-Products


Apple has been warning developers FOR YEARS that they would be ending 32-bit support. It's a bit lame to post a warning on your site mere weeks before the release of Catalina, the version which proves Apple wasn't making jokes...
Not upgrading to the latest Mac OS may be a temporary solution for existing users, but what about people buying new Macs right after the release of Catalina ? They will have no way of downgrading to Mojave so they're up 64-bit creek (well, there might be a way to downgrade but it will involve tweaking, something which your average Mac user will not (know how to) do. Maybe NI should have added 'Please do not buy a new Mac if you are using our products'...
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Re: Next version of MacOS probably doesn't support Sound Man

Postby maurizio » 12 Sep 2019, 11:48

GuiliClayder wrote:
maxpiano wrote:The changes to be introduced by Mac OS Catalina are a challenge for all, anyway, not just Clavia; see for example https://support.native-instruments.com/ ... s-Products


Apple has been warning developers FOR YEARS that they would be ending 32-bit support.


Well, why do not all cool down ?

This things happens every year, for every Mac OS (or Windows) upgrade. Some year go relatively well, some years are very bad.
I have sold or scrapped equipement because no driver was available anymore (MIDI interfaces, USB Mixer).
This year my Mac Pro will be definitively obsolete because the newest OS will not support it anymore.
I scrapped various paid software because it wasn't compatible anymore with the OS i use (this year, it will be Sibelius 7).
The term perpetual licence is a joke.
And yes, every year you have to wait between six and twelve month before upgrading because you need to wait for new versions of the software you use
(unless you use only Apple software, like Logic and MainStage); this year wait for NI, for Ableton, probably for Cubase, and for Clavia software, and probably more.

This is the state of the business; there are deep economic and technical reasons why things are what they are, and there are no sign of change;
if you do not like this, the only practical solution is to go back to pencil/paper, and a good acoustic piano.

By the way, just bought a Melodica; beside the fact that the sound stand well in the mix with my NE5HP, it doesn't need software updates; well , it
doesn't even need electricity :).

Maurizio

PS: by the way, i realised that the problem is a lot bigger than 32 vs 64 bit; Apple is suppressing a number of 32 APIs that where deprecated in 2012, and not supported any more in new developements, but supported at execution. This means that software wise there may be a lot more work to do that assuring that your C code is portable between 32 and 64 bit machines.
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