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cgrafx wrote:There is no such thing as Triple sensor MIDI. Triple sensor on a keybed refers the the method by which a key has been determined to be pressed.

I hope you are trolling. If not try to rethink once more.

cgrafx wrote:There is no such thing as Triple sensor MIDI. Triple sensor on a keybed refers the the method by which a key has been determined to be pressed.

A deja vu moment

Valpurgis wrote:

cgrafx wrote:There is no such thing as Triple sensor MIDI. Triple sensor on a keybed refers the the method by which a key has been determined to be pressed.

I hope you are trolling. If not try to rethink once more.

I don't know what you mean by trolling. The physical keyboard inside the Nord keyboard does not produce MIDI. The sensors on the keyboard are literally scanned by the internal processor in order to determine what key was pressed, at what velocity it was pressed and how to interpret that information to trigger the sounding of a note. NONE of that is done via MIDI. MIDI is a protocol for keyboards or other musical equipment to pass information between that equipment.

Internally Nord Keyboards DO NOT use MIDI for anything. MIDI is only used for external communication with other MIDI equipment.

Nord instruments generate MIDI information AFTER determining what key has been pressed and how fast. That raw sensor data is completely internal to the keyboard. MIDI has NO method to pass raw sensor information between keyboards.

NiCoX wrote:

mozart999uk wrote:

NiCoX wrote:Hi there


Now, I totally understand that the NS series has to accommodate both piano and organ playing, and so considering that, this is a smart compromise from Nord....

This is what I'm hoping to find when I get mine. I know many are hoping the action will be heavier and more piano-like but I'm looking for something that can work across many different sounds / styles. I currently have an old yamaha p80. Lovely weighty piano action but after doing a 2.5hr rehearsal where I'm also bashing out funky clav licks, organ glisses and other bits, my hands and fingers are knackered!

So does the NS4 feel lighter to you? Less effort?

Correct, NS4 feels slightly lighter than the NP4. But definitely way more heavier than the NW2.

How good are you able to play Organ on it?

FZiegler wrote:This isn't new - it's been more or less the same with the Stage 3 (triple pedal for the HA, single pedal for the HP, no pedal for the SW). The new triple pedal isn't included with any new version, though (as far as I know).

No, the NS3 88 didn't come with the Triple pedal, only with a single sustain pedal.

cgrafx: Yes the result of the triple sensor raw data can be sent via Midi. Kawai do it dead simple via NOTE ON/OFF for a complete released key and NOTE ON for a retriggered key followed by NOTE OFFs after the last retriggered and relased key. The single NOTE ONs have the velocity determined by the timing between the middle and lower sensor.

SuperStage wrote:The new AUX KB mode is game changing!

... The limitations of DUAL KB when running in PANEL MODE is it allows for a maximum of 3 sounds (Organ/Piano/Synth) on both top and bottom and the morph function only works on Panel A (top keyboard) so you need to have 2 sustain pedals (or create a custom cable with two 1/4" jacks as I have done) to sustain both Panel A and B at the same time.

I'm excited, too, about the Aux KB mode of the Stage 4 vs. the DualKB mode of the Stage 3. And am very interested how the pedals and controls on the NS4 will work together with the remotely controlled notes.

On the Stage 3, it was really complicated: For the single engine DualKB mode, the internal sustain pedal worked for the remotely played engine, with the full Panel B DualKB mode, it didn't.

True, that for none of the two DualKB modes, the morph controls from the Nord worked. But AFAIK, a remote control pedal or a remote morph wheel were able to control a morph on an engine used for DualKB. That's why I still have not only 2 sustain pedals, but also 2 control pedals on my 'pedal board'. We'll see if that mess can be controlled a little easier or more flexible on the Stage 4.

Valpurgis wrote:cgrafx: Yes the result of the triple sensor raw data can be sent via Midi. Kawai do it dead simple via NOTE ON/OFF for a complete released key and NOTE ON for a retriggered key followed by NOTE OFFs after the last retriggered and relased key. The single NOTE ONs have the velocity determined by the timing between the middle and lower sensor.

As discussed, since Kawai behaviour is not a standard (other triple sensore keyboards do on/off, even for repetitions) I don't expect this to be specifically supported, at least there is no sign of any MIDI parameter related to that in the NS manual.

maxpiano: As already discussed my hope is based upond discussions with Nord a couple year ago where they indicated they would look into it for future development. The Kawai implentation results in sustaining repetitions, the other make staccato repetitions. With the Kawai implementation against NS3 the repetitions will be ignored, ie you will miss the repetitions.

Valpurgis wrote:maxpiano: As already discussed my hope is based upond discussions with Nord a couple year ago where they indicated they would look into it for future development. The Kawai implentation results in sustaining repetitions, the other make staccato repetitions. With the Kawai implementation against NS3 the repetitions will be ignored, ie you will miss the repetitions.

It's OK you have a hope, but I am just saying: no sign of that on manual so at the moment is not to be expected, until anyone can test it.

You are partially correct then, with Kawai implementation as far as I remember you don't miss notes (I used a VPC1 with the NS2C some years ago) you just trigger new ones, or maybe at the time I switched triple sensor off on the VPC (you can do that) when using it as master, not sure and I don't own the VPC any more to test. Any VPC user here that can test for us?