B3/leslie types - Can you hear the difference

[DJKeys]

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[derrellpiper]

We don't know for sure, but if we assume the NS3 uses a DSP based architecture, then changes will be easier than if it would have been an FPGA based one. It is, however, usually "more tricky" to make changes to DSP code than to "conventional" software.

No, but we strongly suspect.

[Quai34]

Ok, guys, I think you are overthinking, nobody cares if it's a based "Truck", "Bidule, "Machin" as long as they fix it...Are you musicians or what? Two pages of engineering stuff is too much for me, I'm back to my practice...Nobody asked Mozart how is head was built when he was composing but the result was great...We just need the result and forget about the means...

[baekgaard]

I did apologise already for the interruption to your regular transmission on this channel, and I'll 'happily do it again

And yes, most probably don't care, but a few of us curious types do, for whatever weird reasons. And to answer your lighthearted question, in my case it's not "musician OR what" but "musician AND what" (with "what" being many other things, including doing research and teaching at an engineering university -- a place similar to where some of those that made the instrument in the first place possibly received their training in SW and HW engineering and mathematical and "virtual instrument" modelling).

But let's now all go back and play some Mozart using the vintage 2 settings on the B3

[anotherscott]

Well, that makes one of you...your audience won't know the difference, ever.

In a live band performance, the vast majority of the audience won't know the difference between a Nord piano sound and a Korg M1 piano sound from the 80s. Maybe a few more of them would if they actually heard them A/B'd next to each other. All these improvements in organ or piano sounds are 99% for the benefit of the player.

On the NE5D, I definitely hear the difference between 122 and 122 close, the latter has more pronounced pulsing during the change from slow to fast or vice versa, which I prefer. (Very often, being able to tell the difference is partly a matter of knowing what it is you're listening for.) But it's not going to get me hired any more often.

[Gambold]

>All these improvements in organ or piano sounds are 99% for the benefit of the player.<

That's true. Where I would like to see Clavia focus upon regarding improvements is in how you interact with the board while in performance. Some factors:

--Low lighting, stages are usually pretty dark
--Limited time to make selections, usually 15-20 seconds at best.

That Clavia uses a lot of dedicated knobs is a big plus over their competition, where you can spend a lot of time and frustration finger-whapping a button trying to find a sub-menu. I'd like to see them go even farther and make the saving and recalling of presets even easier.

Granted, I am running an Electro 4 which has pretty poor preset manipulation. The "banks" are hardly accommodating: have fun moving from Bank 3 preset 12 to Bank 1 preset 2...here comes the finger whapping.

I'm guessing the newer models are better, maybe with knobs instead of buttons for presets, and I know they have a screen that tells you what you dialed up - currently I have to consult a pre-printed chart of my presets that I've taped to the board and on a dark stage, that can get tough.

Back to topic - yeah, multiple Leslies are fun for the home user but since Nords are pro gear designed for performance, I'd sooner see the design $$ go into the aforementioned enhancements rather than providing more digital models of amps that no-one but the player can discern.

[cgrafx]

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Granted, I am running an Electro 4 which has pretty poor preset manipulation. The "banks" are hardly accommodating: have fun moving from Bank 3 preset 12 to Bank 1 preset 2...here comes the finger whapping.

I'm guessing the newer models are better, maybe with knobs instead of buttons for presets, and I know they have a screen that tells you what you dialed up - currently I have to consult a pre-printed chart of my presets that I've taped to the board and on a dark stage, that can get tough.

Nope not better on new models, and thus the reason for a lot of us using external program management tools.

I use TouchOSC on a Mac Mini that I have setup up with 20 program buttons (could easily be extended to 30 or 40 or (banks and programs).

Others are using their song list and song book apps (OnSong, SetList Maker, etc).

Its the one area that is lacking. The song list mode was an attempt to improve some of this, but its still always going to be limited by the fact that its a single knob trying to do the function of a direct access buttons. You can push a couple of buttons with barely a cursory look at them. With a knob and display, you have to consciously stare at the display to know if you've moved the knob the appropriate number of steps.

20-30 seconds is Death... You can't have that much time between songs when working in a show/cover band. In many cases there isn't a break at all, just one song into the next.

[stringtapper]

Ok, guys, I think you are overthinking, nobody cares if it's a based "Truck", "Bidule, "Machin" as long as they fix it...Are you musicians or what? Two pages of engineering stuff is too much for me, I'm back to my practice...Nobody asked Mozart how is head was built when he was composing but the result was great...We just need the result and forget about the means...

A classically trained musician AND a sound engineer here, thank you very much. Some of us are obsessed with everything music and sound related. This is why I don't have any hobbies…

[analogika]

Ok, guys, I think you are overthinking, nobody cares if it's a based "Truck", "Bidule, "Machin" as long as they fix it...Are you musicians or what? Two pages of engineering stuff is too much for me, I'm back to my practice...Nobody asked Mozart how is head was built when he was composing but the result was great...We just need the result and forget about the means...

A classically trained musician AND a sound engineer here, thank you very much. Some of us are obsessed with everything music and sound related. This is why I don't have any hobbies…

Same here. My job is in playing and sound technology.

Knowing how stuff works is essential to knowing options and capabilities.

[Gambold]

>I use TouchOSC on a Mac Mini that I have setup up with 20 program buttons (could easily be extended to 30 or 40 or (banks and programs). Others are using their song list and song book apps (OnSong, SetList Maker, etc). <

Yeah, I have a problem when a company charges top $$$ for their keyboards and you still have to lug computers on stage just to access their features in a sane and efficient manner. That's going to finally hurt Clavia if they don't get on it. You can only sail along on the sample library for so long.

We'll see how well the Stage 3 does in the market - I'll make book that it's not going to be a barn burner. It's too expensive and didn't make enough changes to the previous model. The Electro 6 is going to have to really kick some ass. At this point my first Nord is my last. I'd love to have my mind changed on that.