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Re: And so, October…
Posted: 07 Oct 2022, 17:47
by docbop
It would be nice if Nord did something to say we're here and still working on things. Like release some new library sounds like EPs maybe some Vintage Vibe sounds even though you wont be able to say that's what they are. Sure others here have suggestions for some new library samples they'd like. Something to say we appreciate you supporting Nord.
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 07 Oct 2022, 18:19
by Hlaalu
Well they did release the Felt Piano not long ago.
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 07 Oct 2022, 19:02
by sonicblue
But try to leave them query here:
https://www.nordkeyboards.com/about-us/feedback
- and wait endlessly for any response... What company does so?
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 07 Oct 2022, 19:06
by Hlaalu
Gambold wrote:> but I would be a bit more careful in dressing that up as if it were an objective truth<
i have no idea what that means. I'm just another poster on this board, as full of sh*t as anyone else here...
To "dress something up as an objective truth" would seem to call for statistics, or survey results, or a verified quote from a Clavia insider...something other than my own yakking.
If you are taking my posts as having the impact or air of objective truths, I suppose I should be flattered. However, I shant be "more careful" about expressing an opinion that may go against the stream. Certainly those opinions here that are fulsome in their praise of all things Nord are never accused of dressing up....
As I said it may well be just my impression. Again no acrimony implied, but since you ask,

apart from the example I already quoted, countdown like-sounding sentences like:
Gambold wrote:
Clavia has about a month to get a new Stage or Electro on the market for the holiday season. Preferably both. If not, they will enter 2023 as a maker and seller of vintage keyboards - their own.
raise a sort of a question mark on my face. Your wish is perfectly understandable, but it's worded almost as an omen with respect to Nord's future. I too wish they released, or at least announced, a new C3(?)D(?), but it's not like they either do it before 2023 or they will rot in their own hardware for the rest of their days. Who am I to know how well they are doing, economically, or to even know what it's like to run a keyboard company in Sweden in the first place?
Also from the piano samples thread (for which by the way I thank you, it was interesting and fun to read):
Gambold wrote:
--Ah, the Italian - once upon a time it was considered one of the best. This one fell out of favor quickly.
--No Grand Lady D! This one was on everyone's fave list for a long time - age has finally taken its toll.
--The elephant in the room - no love for the Velvet. A newer sample that wasn't a hit even when it was first released.
There's just something in the wording that feels like it's coming out from a history book, as if it's already been evaluated, judged, researched, established as definitive... and even jazzed up a bit to sound a bit like a novel! One (or at least I) can only wonder where on Earth do you get such data from.

Because these are exactly the kind of things that, as you well say, one should have a good amount of statistical data to base onto. But there's no such data of course. (I would be surprised if Nord themselves tracked how many times something has been downloaded from the library to then base their research and plan their subsequent releases onto.) This is why sometimes your posts have the "air or impact of objective truths",

hasn't to do with them being optimistic or pessimistic.
Please dont' read me wrong, it's fun to talk about one's favourite pianos, or sounds, or anything. As I said I did enjoy reading that thread, and I am reading this one too with interest. Mine was just a hopefully not pretentious comment on the way your sentences come off sometime. Hopefully no one is making a big deal out of this... I am certainly not, Gambold!
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 07 Oct 2022, 21:43
by analogika
Schorsch wrote:analogika wrote:The only reason they're doing okay is because the hella lucked out with the Covid pandemic.
Their survival is through no fault of their own.
Yes it’s based on the harsh cuts of costs, like 50% payment cuts and maybe also other savings on expenses due to heavily reduced travel activities - once this gets back to normal they might be back in trouble
It's based primarily on the fact that people were buying guitars like gangbusters to learn an instrument during the pandemic.
They're sitting on a pile of cash now that will hopefully give them a little leverage.
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 07 Oct 2022, 22:14
by agcohn
analogika wrote:Schorsch wrote:analogika wrote:The only reason they're doing okay is because the hella lucked out with the Covid pandemic.
Their survival is through no fault of their own.
Yes it’s based on the harsh cuts of costs, like 50% payment cuts and maybe also other savings on expenses due to heavily reduced travel activities - once this gets back to normal they might be back in trouble
It's based primarily on the fact that people were buying guitars like gangbusters to learn an instrument during the pandemic.
They're sitting on a pile of cash now that will hopefully give them a little leverage.
But of all these new sales Fender had over the pandemic, how many of them are from their premium guitar lines versus their more budget friendly lines? Fender is a much larger company than Nord, with a much larger target marketplace... compared to a similar piano company, Fender would be like the Yamaha or Kawai of electric guitars.
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 07 Oct 2022, 22:29
by Gambold
>but it's worded almost as an omen with respect to Nord's future. <
It's very much meant to be an omen with respect to Nord's future. I think the company is in trouble. I think the Big Silence, the crummy customer service, the embarrassment at NAMM, and the continued lack of a new keyboard doesn't indicate anything good for anyone.
Yes, I'm the Cassandra of the board, I know - but I keep waiting to be proven wrong. Hey, I want to buy a Stage. But I'll be damned if I'm going to pony up almost 5K after taxes for a technology going on seven years old. And without any indication of when there might be a new one, me, and I'm sure many others, are looking around elsewhere.
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 08 Oct 2022, 01:08
by docbop
Gambold wrote:>but it's worded almost as an omen with respect to Nord's future. <
It's very much meant to be an omen with respect to Nord's future. I think the company is in trouble. I think the Big Silence, the crummy customer service, the embarrassment at NAMM, and the continued lack of a new keyboard doesn't indicate anything good for anyone.
Yes, I'm the Cassandra of the board, I know - but I keep waiting to be proven wrong. Hey, I want to buy a Stage. But I'll be damned if I'm going to pony up almost 5K after taxes for a technology going on seven years old. And without any indication of when there might be a new one, me, and I'm sure many others, are looking around elsewhere.
No one is forcing you to buy a Nord if you have concerns I'm sure Yamaha, Roland, Nord, StudioLogic, or Casio will be glad to sell you something.
I and I assume most the others here are very happy we have a Nord and will keep playing them for a long time.
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 08 Oct 2022, 10:36
by StrangeAeons
To be fair, Gambold, Korg's flagship workstation, the Nautilus, is basically a Kronos with a few news sounds and a smaller screen: their pianos are great (not as great as some of Nord's, imho, but it's just a matter of personal preferences on any top-tier board) but they are still mostly the same you could enjoy back in 2011. Comparatively, Nord have improved their sound library much more (though the Kronos' much cheaper).
I agree with you, I too would never buy a Stage 3 right now (or an Electro 6, for that matter), but more out of a desire to always buy the latest product than anything else, because we know the Stage 3 EX or Stage 4 won't revolutionise Nord's lineup: someone might even take advantage of clearance sales on the Stage 3 and skip on the 4 altogether (just like many a user were perfectly fine buying an Electro 5 back when the 6 was released).
Again, Nord would only increase interest towards their brand and even avoid losing some potential or prospective customers if they teased new hardware and libraries on their socials from time to time: if a representative told M1tsos the new Stage is almost here, then whoever manages Nord's social media accounts (and keeps splurging money on those heinous jazz performances) surely could do the same with much greater benefits.
Re: And so, October…
Posted: 08 Oct 2022, 12:00
by sonicblue
On the other hand I can understand why they don't announce new models ahead. Many people like me would just withdraw from purchase and wait. So this is some reasonable marketing strategy I guess. Nevertheless this stagnation in the upgrade cycle is annoying, because you want to be sure you spend your money for something worth it. So I perfectly understand Gambold and share his irritation towards this
I'm convinced to have a brand new Nord not other brand, but just not oudated one... (Unless I would buy aftermarket one, but I don't want to)
I would rather compare this situation to buying a car. Would you like to buy in 2022 a new car from 2018? I don't think so...