NS3 Bug reports etc.

[Hyttel]

This is a weird bug -- but it's caused by a "hidden" mode or some incorrect internal state.

The thing is that you can get it into a mode where the LED's are all off but you're still in extern mode.

The way I read it in the manual this is intentional; ---- for when you want to send program changes and/or cc without sending keystrokes to the external machine, and **** where keystrokes are sent.

The manual says the following (p40):
NON-KEYBOARD EXTERN SETUP
In addition to the regular keyboard zones, there's an extra option - selected the same way as regular keyboard zones - that doesn't assign the Extern section to the internal keyboard at all, signified by all KB ZONE LEDs being off for the external section. However all other external features are still active, such as the pitch stick and the parameter knob. This is useful when you want to control external equipment with no need for keyboard midi messages.

So I figure the **** and ---- modes should be different.

I read the manual the same way. The mode itself (no LEDs on) is not a bug, however, the fact that it sends midi note data in this mode is.

@baekgaard the other bug with cc and Pg messages was also the most significant in our previous thread, but I mentioned this non-keyboard setup in one of my last messages.

[baekgaard]

You guys are right; the mode is documented (I should have checked) -- but it works incorrectly nevertheless. Maybe I can be partly excused because of the incorrect implementation The way it's implemented is not according to the manual (i.e. when the LEDs are off, it should never transmit MIDI keyboard data).

It is still very confusing that the keyboard plays when the LEDs are off.

@Hyttel: Yeah, I must have missed that from the previous thread. Mea culpa.

[Antago]

Thanks guys! Good to know it's a bug then. I'm re-programming all the sounds I had from scratch for my new setup and at this stage it's sometimes really confusing whether I'm simply doing something wrong or if it's not working as intended (yet). Really glad for the knowledge and help availble on this board, thanks!

[arvidsson]

My reboot issues seemed related to the power supply at gig. Been using it at home now and no problems so far. Will get back if it happens again and contact clavia for sure.

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[fjzingo]

The triple pedal sends a total of 4 CC 64 messages from the extern section, with values 1-4 instead of one with 127. In Global mode the sustain sends six !!! sustain on messages with a value of 128. The other two pedals don't lead to any values being sent. The global channel also seems to be set to a velocity setting which is even harder than the hard section in the extern section making it very difficult to play vst pianos dynamically in this mode. The midi-implementation feels very far from ready in the nord stage 3 which means Clavia has quite some homework to do....perhaps realeasing the stage 3 a little to early thinking of all those complementing their stage 2/2EX with mainstage and other synts.

I also didn't find any setting for separating what is sent via USB and the midi outs? Perhaps I missed something?

[baekgaard]

The triple pedal sends a total of 4 CC 64 messages from the extern section, with values 1-4 instead of one with 127. In Global mode the sustain sends six !!! sustain on messages with a value of 128. The other two pedals don't lead to any values being sent. The global channel also seems to be set to a velocity setting which is even harder than the hard section in the extern section making it very difficult to play vst pianos dynamically in this mode. The midi-implementation feels very far from ready in the nord stage 3 which means Clavia has quite some homework to do....perhaps realeasing the stage 3 a little to early thinking of all those complementing their stage 2/2EX with mainstage and other synts.

Thanks for adding the pedal problems to the bug sheet Did you also send it directly to Nord?

As for the velocity scaling, I tested it at some time earlier (also with a midi monitor), and I think I found that both enabling the global and the extern would send out two key events for each key press. Then, by setting the keyb velocity to hard, it seemed that the values would be identical for the two -- but this was probably on 1.00 some time ago, and I'm not sure if it's just my memory that fails me. I may need to test it again.

I also didn't find any setting for separating what is sent via USB and the midi outs? Perhaps I missed something?

This, I think, is intentional. In appendix 1, it says that the two are active at the same time and that "There is no no need to choose between the options in a menu or similar".

[nico4802]

Hello Everybody,

Yesterday, I played outside for the first time, and I met a "little" bug :

When I started my NS3 88, the keyboard never passed the loading screen : it stays blocked at the end of the loading screen. (v 1.04)
After 10 tests , I realized that I had connected for the first time a sustain roland DP-6 pedal.
So, a reboot after disconnecting the pedal, and there were no problem anymore !!!

second test :
reboot with the pedal connected >>> locked again at the end of the loading screen...
reboot with the pedal disconnected >>> no problem anymore...

(on the other hand, once started, if you connect the pedal, that works well !)

so, it's clear for me, the ROLAND DP-6 connected before starting the keyboard causes a bug at starting !

[analogika]

Wow, that's a weird one!

[baekgaard]

so, it's clear for me, the ROLAND DP-6 connected before starting the keyboard causes a bug at starting !

Weird I normally use Roland pedals -- not sure if mine are DP-6, but they look very much like it. And I haven't seen the issue myself, nor have I been able to reproduce it (just tested).

But I can see that the board reads the state of the pedal on boot and also when you plug/unplug it, in an attempt to auto-sense the polarity of the pedal. I guess a bug in that part of the code could cause something like this.

Did you have it connected to the sustain pedal connection or one of the other connections? What are your settings for the type of pedal (auto or something else)?

[nico4802]

sorry, I made a mistake, it's not a DP-6 pedal but a ROLAND DP-10 pedal...
I've connected the pedal to the sustain pedal connection and the settings are "auto"...

(I also modified yesterday the output panel settings A/B to "monitor" (panel A and B output stereo 1/2 and stereo 3/4, but I suppose that this has nothing to do with...)