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Re: Clavia/Nord Financial Information

Posted: 16 Oct 2019, 18:37
by Spider
Well I suppose that depending on if/when/how Brexit is implemented, prices of Nord keyboards in the UK will rise inevitably.
Sorry about it, but there's not much we can do about that, and surely turning this topic into a political rant will not help.
How big is the UK market for Clavia, and how the fall in UK sales will affect their financial health, it's totally up for guesses.
As much as I sympatize with you and see Brexit as a colossal foolishness, I think it's no use discussing it on this forum, and certainly not on this topic.

Re: Clavia/Nord Financial Information

Posted: 17 Oct 2019, 05:04
by analogika
LewTheKeysGuy wrote:The serious worry we have is this...

If things go as they will, when Sweden exports it's gear to the UK and Northern Ireland, we could be stung by Customs duties and other matters imposed by the EU as part of the Brexit matter.
You have it backwards.

Customs regulations (import duties, tariffs, VAT) are imposed solely by the country imported TO, not exported from.

The fact that any imports from EU to the UK will be slapped by import tax and VAT, and must thus be held until the value and nature of every shipment has been verified, is perfectly normal between all countries that do not have free trade agreements in place covering the goods in question (and the EU including Britain had some 800 such agreements externally, and fully free trade internally — formerly Great Britain leaves with zero of those agreements).

This will take days or weeks for any shipment — just like in the 1960s — coming into the UK. In fact, it will probably take longer than in the 1960s, since the economy today is FAR more globalised, and the infrastructure for dealing with kilometres of queued lorries hasn’t existed since the mid-1970s, when we all thought the world had advanced beyond the madness.

Re: Clavia/Nord Financial Information

Posted: 17 Oct 2019, 11:06
by LewTheKeysGuy
analogika wrote:
LewTheKeysGuy wrote:The serious worry we have is this...

If things go as they will, when Sweden exports it's gear to the UK and Northern Ireland, we could be stung by Customs duties and other matters imposed by the EU as part of the Brexit matter.
You have it backwards.

Customs regulations (import duties, tariffs, VAT) are imposed solely by the country imported TO, not exported from.

The fact that any imports from EU to the UK will be slapped by import tax and VAT, and must thus be held until the value and nature of every shipment has been verified, is perfectly normal between all countries that do not have free trade agreements in place covering the goods in question (and the EU including Britain had some 800 such agreements externally, and fully free trade internally — formerly Great Britain leaves with zero of those agreements).

This will take days or weeks for any shipment — just like in the 1960s — coming into the UK. In fact, it will probably take longer than in the 1960s, since the economy today is FAR more globalised, and the infrastructure for dealing with kilometres of queued lorries hasn’t existed since the mid-1970s, when we all thought the world had advanced beyond the madness.
OK fair enough, perhaps why not take a look at what our Prime Minister's up to, what total mess everyone's being put through, the stress UK companies are now feeling, then tell us we have it backwards. There was actually information given which stated that with the customs bill, both sides were having to work out these issues. I don't know, I honestly don't care, Life is too short. I'm learning to value what life I've got left, while I'm still here. In that, just concentrate on the music.

Re: Clavia/Nord Financial Information

Posted: 17 Oct 2019, 14:55
by analogika
Well, if you’re a musician buying gear from overseas in the UK, it’s probably worth investing a basic interest into how import duties work...

;-)

Re: Clavia/Nord Financial Information

Posted: 17 Oct 2019, 15:32
by Valpurgis
analogika wrote:Well, if you’re a musician buying gear from overseas in the UK, it’s probably worth investing a basic interest into how import duties work...

;-)
Well, how much would that basic interest be worth? You imply that knowhow about import duties would make your purchase cheaper? Please explain your logic if any.

Re: Clavia/Nord Financial Information

Posted: 19 Oct 2019, 10:52
by analogika
Valpurgis wrote:
analogika wrote:Well, if you’re a musician buying gear from overseas in the UK, it’s probably worth investing a basic interest into how import duties work...

;-)
Well, how much would that basic interest be worth? You imply that knowhow about import duties would make your purchase cheaper? Please explain your logic if any.
I’ve been buying gear internationally for over twenty years. Knowing how basic customs duties and import taxes work is fundamental to figuring out whether a deal is worth it or not.

If I’m ordering something from overseas and don’t know on which government’s site I need to check whether that device or part requires an import duty, how high this is, and whether it’s eligible for import VAT, that can make for some rather amusing (to the others waiting for their packages at the customs bureau) surprises.