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anotherscott wrote:

RichardG wrote:The main issue is that reverb is for a panel so you can't switch it off for organ

Well, it depends on the combination of sounds you need. If you created a program where one panel had your organ sound and your other panel had your non-organ sounds, then being able to enable reveb by panel would let you switch it off just for organ.

True.
That could work in some cases.
But I could never give the organ a "normal" reverb unless I start carrying more gear.
And life could be so simple

RichardG wrote:But I could never give the organ a "normal" reverb unless I start carrying more gear.

In my case, I usually have a couple of boards going into a small mixer anyway, and the mixer has built-in reverb, and you can set the Nord up to send organ out its own output, so lots of combinations are available there. But if you don't already use a mixer anyway, yeah, that's one more thing.

anotherscott wrote:In my case, I usually have a couple of boards going into a small mixer anyway, and the mixer has built-in reverb, and you can set the Nord up to send organ out its own output, so lots of combinations are available there. But if you don't already use a mixer anyway, yeah, that's one more thing.

I do have a small mixer but it's primary functions are driving my monitor and a balanced left/right out to FOH.
And sometimes I split the microphone cable so I can control my own voice monitoring as wel.
That's why it's in a case on the ground as I never have to alter anything during a gig and control that from the board (the 50% discussion).
With the NS2 I didn't need an external reverb anyway so didn't look for a mixer with that.

This is the mixer : Alto ZMX862

As an (ex-) software engineer I can't quite grasp why it's not possible to make the routing of the Leslie flexible to be before or after the reverb.
If you look at each component as a self-contained element it's just switching around inputs and outputs like you could with the hardware equivalents.

I'll keep my hopes up tho'

RichardG wrote: As an (ex-) software engineer I can't quite grasp why it's not possible to make the routing of the Leslie flexible to be before or after the reverb.
If you look at each component as a self-contained element it's just switching around inputs and outputs like you could with the hardware equivalents.

I don't know to much of the details, but as far as I have heard, the stage architecture is based on a set (5?) of DSP and likely some MCU's as well. They are probably configured with some division of work, and maybe a fixed routing (some busses may connect them in some order, for instance). If the rotary effect and the reverbs are allocated to some specific parts with a special configuration, it may not be so easy to change the orders.

So the bottom line is that it is not all just one large chunk of software, but a combination of software and some hardware units that take care of certain parts of the chain. And that might make it difficult to reconfigure some parts.

baekgaard wrote: I don't know to much of the details, but as far as I have heard, the stage architecture is based on a set (5?) of DSP and likely some MCU's as well. They are probably configured with some division of work, and maybe a fixed routing (some busses may connect them in some order, for instance). If the rotary effect and the reverbs are allocated to some specific parts with a special configuration, it may not be so easy to change the orders.

So the bottom line is that it is not all just one large chunk of software, but a combination of software and some hardware units that take care of certain parts of the chain. And that might make it difficult to reconfigure some parts.

We'll never know how it's exactly setup so this or something else could well be the reason.
We can only speculate looking from the outside.

Although I would find it interesting (from an engineers standpoint) how stuff is setup without releasing the actual source-code.
That could also help in determining where bugs reside and/or wishes could be fixed/implemented.

Since you're dealing with actual hardware (as opposed to an all-software approach on a computer) some things might be out of the software-control as they're hard-wired, like you said.
And maybe the current software isn't capable of such changes and would need a complete overhaul which is a risk in itself and commercially not viable (being a niche part of the music-industry, of which I'm glad they're here BTW !)
If the source-code is still based on the first Stage (which would be logical), than in computerland it's ancient

RichardG wrote:I do have a small mixer but it's primary functions are driving my monitor and a balanced left/right out to FOH.
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With the NS2 I didn't need an external reverb anyway so didn't look for a mixer with that.

Same here, my mixer is used to drive my stage sound and/or send to FOH. It just happened to have reverb in it, which has come in handy, as it turned out. So if someone is assembling a similar system around an NS3 and is concerned about the organ reverb, if you haven't yet gotten your mixer, it might be worth selecting a mixer with reverb.

RichardG wrote:As an (ex-) software engineer I can't quite grasp why it's not possible to make the routing of the Leslie flexible to be before or after the reverb.

Because it's not software. While there is a software element, a lot of the design is obviously hardware. Hardware has some advantages over software (which is why we aren't all just using VSTs), but the hardware design then puts restrictions on how much can further be changed via software.

If you listen to the NS3 official demo on YouTube, the reverb is post Leslie on both examples. Not sure why this could not be changed back to this behavior. Anyone have an idea?

Obwanz wrote:If you listen to the NS3 official demo on YouTube, the reverb is post Leslie on both examples. Not sure why this could not be changed back to this behavior. Anyone have an idea?

I just listened to them again and I do not hear the Leslie turning into the reverb.
Maybe they added the reverb on the final recording.

Regards

I just listened to them again and I do not hear the Leslie turning into the reverb.
Maybe they added the reverb on the final recording.

Regards[/quote]

Definitely a possibility!

Obwanz wrote:I just listened to them again and I do not hear the Leslie turning into the reverb.
Maybe they added the reverb on the final recording.

Regards

Definitely a possibility![/quote]

This is what it says about the audio demos on the Stage 3 page. Both examples of the B3 post Leslie reverb are there

‘All demos performed live on the Nord Stage 3 using only the internal effects’.