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I've honestly never understood the dedicated vibrato LFO. Particularly as a performance instrument it baffles me because there is so little control over it and, while I think the Wave2 may have changed this, previously it was global. So if you wanted a fast deep minimoog-style vibrato on one patch and a slow gentle one on another, you had to use the full LFO anyway or go into a menu to change it mid performance. That's not performance-friendly. And if you want to do what I mentioned earlier (pitch and filter mod at the same time for a more organic vibrato) you can't use it anyway.

Right, this is intended for keyboardists more than synthesists specifically, which is why I am amazed at some of the missing features. Nord has been marketing heavily to a lot of gospel, jazz fusion and funk players lately. It is very common to hear a synth lead with an LFO that modulates 2 things at once in these styles. It is also very common to hear poly glide in those styles for the big chord stacks etc. And the layout overall is not what most players are used to; if you want osc sync you press the sync button, not search for the correct factory configuration. Or what if you want to shape the pulse width and also detune the second oscillator by a little bit for that chorused sound? There is unison but that is not the same thing, as nice as it can sound. etc...a lot of players don't want to spend time learning a new architecture, they want to get their sounds set up and jam.

robinkle wrote: You are correct about one destination. But remember, this is per layer. So if you do not group the LFO's, but you group the filter section, then you can have multiple LFO's on one filter. Or one LFO to each grouped section representing the destinations of the LFO. So if you have sections of layer A and B grouped together, but the LFO from Layer A and B isn't grouped together, then you have two LFO's at your disposal.

A group means the layers share the settings, but they don't share the actual filter. In other words, if you have two layers in a group and group the filter settings, it means all settings in the filter stay in sync between the layers, as described in the manual, but each layer still have their own filter chain.

So if you route two LFOs, one from each grouped layer, to a grouped filter, each LFO will impact only the sound of that layer, not that of the other layer. I think you wanted to have two LFOs modulate the same filter, so that their settings would be additive, e.g. to use the LFO from, say, a silent layer 1 to modulate a grouped filter that sounds layer 2 that has its pitch modulated by its own LFO, but that is not how it works, it seems.

tsss27 wrote:I've honestly never understood the dedicated vibrato LFO. Particularly as a performance instrument it baffles me because there is so little control over it and, while I think the Wave2 may have changed this, previously it was global.

Just to confirm what you hint to, the Wave 2 have the dedicated vibrato settings stored pr. program -- the manual says: "The rate of the Vibrato and depth for the Vibrato Dly (Delay) mode can be set by pressing RATE (Shift+Vibrato selector) and selecting the desired values from the display. These values are stored with the program."

baekgaard wrote:

robinkle wrote: You are correct about one destination. But remember, this is per layer. So if you do not group the LFO's, but you group the filter section, then you can have multiple LFO's on one filter. Or one LFO to each grouped section representing the destinations of the LFO. So if you have sections of layer A and B grouped together, but the LFO from Layer A and B isn't grouped together, then you have two LFO's at your disposal.

A group means the layers share the settings, but they don't share the actual filter. In other words, if you have two layers in a group and group the filter settings, it means all settings in the filter stay in sync between the layers, as described in the manual, but each layer still have their own filter chain.

So if you route two LFOs, one from each grouped layer, to a grouped filter, each LFO will impact only the sound of that layer, not that of the other layer. I think you wanted to have two LFOs modulate the same filter, so that their settings would be additive, e.g. to use the LFO from, say, a silent layer 1 to modulate a grouped filter that sounds layer 2 that has its pitch modulated by its own LFO, but that is not how it works, it seems.

To my logic. If the filters are grouped together, an LFO from any grouped layer, modulating the grouped filter, would have equal effect on all filters that are grouped. If that doesn't work, it would mean I haven't understood a thing, because I thought this was the whole point of sharing settings between groups. Is it only shared controls then?

Quote from the manual. "Layers can be grouped together – having them share desired settings for various panel sections. This makes it possible to affect the settings and sound of multiple layers from any of the grouped layers."
It opens some questions for sure.

It is just the settings that are shared, not the actual filter.

baekgaard wrote:It is just the settings that are shared, not the actual filter.

I'm not disputing that.

Well, I miss the vibrato LFO as it worked on the old Nord Stage Classic, where you could get the same natural vibrato by aftertouch that was set in the Global settings like you now only can get from DLY1-3. It was a nice effect on many lead sounds.
Seems like the new Wave are working the same way.

I know, it are more true to something like a MiniMoog as it work now, but I seldom have any need for that warbling over the top vibrato, and want to decide when the vibrato should kick in. It are difficult to control a natural vibrato from wheel or aftertouch when you want the “real” LFO to do other things.

robinkle wrote:

baekgaard wrote:It is just the settings that are shared, not the actual filter.

I'm not disputing that.

Sorry, I was just trying to answer your question: "Is it only shared controls then?" with a yes (with a few more words)

CountFosco wrote:

Monkator wrote:Got my Nord Wave 2 with OS 0.84 and the old panel print today. Version 1.0 has a new panel print. I'm now considering whether to return the synth and order a new one because of its already outdated look.
My question is now: Can this cause problems in case of resale?

To me, it seems reasonable to return the unit, using the argument that it is faulty. The buttons don't do what they say.

Mine also arrived with 0.84 and the first run print. I don't mind at all... #EarlyAdopterBadge

Just got the word from Sweetwater that mine is shipping today!

Not sure which version I will get but I don't really care either, I can figure it out-

-dj