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After I updated setlist maker and NS2 to 1.7 everything works

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How does SetlistMaker compare to Mainstage 2? Or do they have distinctly different applications? I already have Mainstage 2 that came with Logic, which I'm about to delve into and start learning. I'd prefer to only learn one stage performance management program if one definitely works better than the other with the NS2.

Hey Hambone,

Indeed the two are very different from one another.

Mainstage 2 is a big software which can control many parametres at once, you can even use sounds from libraries/plugins with it, and link that to a keyboard of your choice and there you have one hell of a stage keyboard! Mainstage pretty much does everything that SetlistMaker has to offer, plus so much more. You can host sounds from your choice of plugins and/or libraries. From my experience of using Mainstage with NS2, the only problem I had with it was that the sound from Mainstage is slightly delayed, it's ok for pad-like sound but for something more percussive you can actually hear double notes. (may be I did something wrong with the connection, and to be honest carrying a laptop around with NS2 wasn't so much fun so I gave up on it and never looked out to solve that delay problem)
With Mainstage you can set it to send and/or receive MIDI messages from NS2, again I didn't quite work out how to properly send messages from NS2 I was mainly using it to send messages to NS2. So by changing patches in Mainstage the NS2 programs will change according to your settings. Of course you can find great explanations and helps about MIDI and everything else on this forum.

SetList Maker however, is a different story. It's mainly a Set List creator with the options of sending MIDI messages to connected devices. It doesn't contain any sounds nor samples. And I don't think that it's possible to send MIDI messages from NS2, I could be totally wrong. But it sure does a great job for changing programs on NS2. It does take sometimes to setup the whole system but once you get the hang of it I'm sure it'll fly by.

Between the two?? Well, it really depends on what will you need this external control for. If you need more sounds other than what NS2 has to offer then Mainstage is the way to go, but if all you want is just for organising and quick program changes without the need for external sound source then Setlist Maker is much better for the job.

Hope it help!

Bests

Soratach

Thanks very much. I think maybe I'll try to work with both. It kind of sounds like Mainstage does some of the same stuff that I was expecting Logic to do. I've got a lot of learning to do! I do like what SetlistMaker seems able to do without benefit of a laptop so it seems like a worthwhile tool. There sure are a lot of things to work on besides honing chops! Makes playing trumpet seem so blessedly uncomplicated!

Hambone wrote:Thanks very much. I think maybe I'll try to work with both. It kind of sounds like Mainstage does some of the same stuff that I was expecting Logic to do. I've got a lot of learning to do! I do like what SetlistMaker seems able to do without benefit of a laptop so it seems like a worthwhile tool. There sure are a lot of things to work on besides honing chops! Makes playing trumpet seem so blessedly uncomplicated!

Hi
You can work with both at the same time (but it dont make sense), you need some hardware. You have to use a Midi-Merger, for merging both Midi-signals. As Sorotch write, both apps are absolut different. Setlistmaker is for using live on stage as a sheet of paper with your informations about your songs. There are for example a lot of different song-lists in setlistmaker include lyrics or other notes you need on stage. The second function is sending Midi-Programm changing messages. If you use Mainstage, i think it is better way Mainstage send Programm change message to your equipment, because Mainstage send also a lot of sound information to the keyboards.

soratach wrote:Thats actually a really good idea. Although I'm guessing that the 'SetListMaker' side of the app would play a very small part with this "NordSoundManager". I kinda like the idea of merging a lot of elements, sound management (sorting out programs and patches) + sound control (synth adjustments and stuff) + set list, within one app rather than have them separately like what Yamaha had done with their apps for the Motif series.

Having said that, I read somewhere on this forum that Nord had initiate the apps for iDevices plan but it was cut short due to ....

I had ask Arlo about a "Soundmanager" App for NS, his answer is:

"Thanks for thinking of me. Unfortunately I don't play keyboard or have access to one of those fancy instruments, so it would be hard for me to know how the app should be designed. And then there's the matter of me being too busy as it is. (smile)

I would say if Nord wanted to hire me to build the official app, that's something I would consider, but building an app on my own is a big up-front investment of time that I can't afford now.

Sorry!

-Arlo"

Nordi wrote:

soratach wrote:Thats actually a really good idea. Although I'm guessing that the 'SetListMaker' side of the app would play a very small part with this "NordSoundManager". I kinda like the idea of merging a lot of elements, sound management (sorting out programs and patches) + sound control (synth adjustments and stuff) + set list, within one app rather than have them separately like what Yamaha had done with their apps for the Motif series.

Having said that, I read somewhere on this forum that Nord had initiate the apps for iDevices plan but it was cut short due to ....

I had ask Arlo about a "Soundmanager" App for NS, his answer is:

"Thanks for thinking of me. Unfortunately I don't play keyboard or have access to one of those fancy instruments, so it would be hard for me to know how the app should be designed. And then there's the matter of me being too busy as it is. (smile)

I would say if Nord wanted to hire me to build the official app, that's something I would consider, but building an app on my own is a big up-front investment of time that I can't afford now.

Sorry!

-Arlo"

Hahaha. Thanks Nordi!

That's a shame, but I'm sure one day the iNord will emerge into our world! In the mean time however, after spending quite a bit of time with TouchOSC I must say that this app is quickly becoming extremely handy in many situations.

Can't see an ipad sound manager to be an attractive option for a developer to embark into (but sure it would be attractive for the users).
Of course this does not mean that somebody with the will and ability could not make one, same as so many open source and free programs around.

Maybe a simpler application to backup and restore all the patches would be easier?
I haven't looked at this in any detail, but I guess that the transmission between the nord sound manager and the nord instruments is not MIDI protocol. Is that right?
If it were MIDI, then this would be more like a librarian/bulk transfer program that can be used with many other synths. Is that possible in the Nords?

Mr_-G- wrote:Can't see an ipad sound manager to be an attractive option for a developer to embark into (but sure it would be attractive for the users).
Of course this does not mean that somebody with the will and ability could not make one, same as so many open source and free programs around.

Maybe a simpler application to backup and restore all the patches would be easier?
I haven't looked at this in any detail, but I guess that the transmission between the nord sound manager and the nord instruments is not MIDI protocol. Is that right?
If it were MIDI, then this would be more like a librarian/bulk transfer program that can be used with many other synths. Is that possible in the Nords?

No, I do not think that Nord talks to its software by using MIDI, I think it's something else which the company invented, and as I had found on this forum stated that Nord file type doesn't work with Apple system, or something along that line. So I guess to deal with patches or sound would take much more than a MIDI-type app.


While we are still on MIDI-extravaganza, Lemur (http://liine.net/en/products/lemur/), a lot more expensive than TouchOSC but it seems to have more to offer and certainly look much more flexible, seems like fun! Anyone tried it yet??