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Re: Leave it on? Or turn it off?

Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 06:11
by Elias
M1tsos wrote:in case of power cut or volt drop and come back with more volt then can damage your keyboards power supply…
This is a good point. But the electrical grid is stable enough here that I have never worried about that.
agcohn wrote:if you accidentally step on the sustain pedal during boot-up of the Nord that the sustain won't work
I assume you are using sustain pedal "auto" mode. That means the instrument will test for the rested position polarity during boot up. If you press the pedal at this time, the machine will get confused.

Re: Leave it on? Or turn it off?

Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 10:55
by Berretje
agcohn wrote:if you accidentally step on the sustain pedal during boot-up of the Nord that the sustain won't work
True... you can also put your car in reverse on the highway... but you shouldn't :lol:

Re: Leave it on? Or turn it off?

Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 11:29
by Hlaalu
hammonitup wrote: The second thread you linked to ended with what i just quoted above and it does get to the crux of both questions, but was never discussed further. I presume Nord doesn't have a stance on this either, or it would have been quoted by someone.
I think the reason why the question doesn't get discussed further is because nobody (including Nord possibly, and other electronics manufacturers) knows the answer.* We all agree that power-on time and power cycles cause (at least theoretically) wear on the hardware, but if you're looking for an equation like "1 power cycle equals to X hours of power-on time", nobody knows what the X is.

Hence the circular statement that electronics should not be left powered on for "too" long, with nobody knowing how long is this "too" long.

We'd all agree that one week is too long a time. We'd also agree that 10 minutes is too short. Where to put the line between the two is, without a definitive answer, arbitrary and probably boils down to personal preference or rather "intuition". Apparently, a few hours is where people's intuition starts getting blurred between those two extremes, given that, as you noted, people on this thread are split about 50% on whether they'd leave the thing on in the scenario you described. Personally I think I'd leave it on.

*I think it's only natural that nobody knows the answer, not because there is no answer, but because knowing such an answer would imply a massive testing spanning a time frame of several years, at the end of which you would still be left without conclusive data. And I think that's good, because it means that failing events are so rare (either power on and off policy you adopt) to make a meaningful statistical assessment impossible.

As far as I remember, wtibbit has worked in electronics for years, and seems very knowledgeable. If he says it doesn't matter if you turn it on or off because the impact on lifetime is negligible either way, I'm trusting him. :) So in conclusion I wouldn't worry either way!

Re: Leave it on? Or turn it off?

Posted: 14 Jul 2022, 14:01
by analogika
agcohn wrote:Does anybody else have an issue that if you accidentally step on the sustain pedal (triple pedal in my case) during boot-up of the Nord that the sustain won't work until after re-booting the Nord again? This happens on my Piano 4.
Happened just yesterday at rehearsal.

Here's the issue: Even after more than fifty years, manufacturers haven't agreed upon whether a sustain pedal has an open switch that is closed when you press it, or a closed switch that is opened when you press it.

This is why most third-party pedals (i.e. not Korg, Roland, or Yamaha) have a "polarity" switch.

Nord, like many other stage keyboard manufacturers, has auto-sensing: whatever is the state of the sustain pedal when the keyboard is powered on is the "not pressed" default.

If it's pressed during boot, it actually still works; it's just inverted (pressing it will cancel the sustain).

Rebooting the keyboard or just un-/re-plugging the pedal should do the trick.

Re: Leave it on? Or turn it off?

Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 18:59
by Elias
analogika wrote:Rebooting the keyboard or just un-/re-plugging the pedal should do the trick.
I prefer disabling the auto function. Never have to worry about getting excited and playing while booting.

Re: Leave it on? Or turn it off?

Posted: 15 Jul 2022, 22:32
by analogika
I can usually contain myself for the fifteen seconds it takes to boot the Stage.

But I have big feet.

Re: Leave it on? Or turn it off?

Posted: 16 Jul 2022, 12:13
by neomad
analogika wrote:When stuff is up and running, I leave it up and running until I'm done playing.
Same here