Nord User Forum

musicaldudeist wrote:You can give the users all that same freedom, and still have the nice touch of organized sounds as a nice cherry on top. Maybe some musicians don't use them at all, maybe some only use them as starting points. Either way, an organized set of sound used just to demo stuff still makes more sense than a random hodge podge of sounds, at least in my mind. And honestly, is it really all that much trouble? It takes far more time to begin with to even program all those "throw away" presets... the trivial amount of extra time to group, say, Pianos together seems quite reasonable.

To play Devil's advocate, I don't think that it is as simple as you say to come up with a way of sorting hundreds of program in a way which makes immediate sense to anyone looking at it. It could be the case that there is indeed a logic behind the factory sorting but it isn't obvious to all the users.

For some people things like "I'll sort my Programs in chronological order I have been playing them in the last year" is something that actually makes more sense than anything else.

For me personally simply grouping all pianos in the same Bank and all the organs in another Bank and so on would not be an optimal solution for practical use. In this way you'd have to constantly jump between, say, Bank A and Bank F to switch between piano and organ. Plus, what's the criteria to sort all piano sounds inside of a Bank? And how do you manage adding a Program to a location later on?

At the end I think that most of us, regardless of the ordering criteria, end up simply memorizing the location of the Programs we use the most...

At any rate, that remains my critique of their preset banks. I get that it isn't an issue for other folks. It certainly wasn't a deal breaker for me, I just think it doesn't make sense. The world keeps turning regardless...

DJKeys wrote:Exactly. I never understood why Dave Smith instruments/Sequential had 500 patches in my P6 that could not be overwritten. Many companies do not have the Sound Manager/Sample Editor which is a huge plus in my book.

-dj

You can overwrite all the 999 Patch locations with your own sounds in the P6

The first 000-499 are freely editable to edit and write yourself directly in any location/Patch number,then if you want to you there is a sequence of button presses which copy those all sounds in locations 000-499 you've made into the other nonwriteable patch locations 500-999,sadly you can only do it as a complete bank of sounds,there is no way to write them to your own set location,but at least this allows you to make your sounds and dump them to the non user locations to then free up the user area for more edits

Hlaalu wrote:

musicaldudeist wrote:You can give the users all that same freedom, and still have the nice touch of organized sounds as a nice cherry on top. Maybe some musicians don't use them at all, maybe some only use them as starting points. Either way, an organized set of sound used just to demo stuff still makes more sense than a random hodge podge of sounds, at least in my mind. And honestly, is it really all that much trouble? It takes far more time to begin with to even program all those "throw away" presets... the trivial amount of extra time to group, say, Pianos together seems quite reasonable.

To play Devil's advocate, I don't think that it is as simple as you say to come up with a way of sorting hundreds of program in a way which makes immediate sense to anyone looking at it. It could be the case that there is indeed a logic behind the factory sorting but it isn't obvious to all the users.

For some people things like "I'll sort my Programs in chronological order I have been playing them in the last year" is something that actually makes more sense than anything else.

For me personally simply grouping all pianos in the same Bank and all the organs in another Bank and so on would not be an optimal solution for practical use. In this way you'd have to constantly jump between, say, Bank A and Bank F to switch between piano and organ. Plus, what's the criteria to sort all piano sounds inside of a Bank? And how do you manage adding a Program to a location later on?

At the end I think that most of us, regardless of the ordering criteria, end up simply memorizing the location of the Programs we use the most...

My belief is that the presets, and the order of the presets, are created to showcase the keyboard to a user that sits down the very first time.
For that user it may be boring if preset 2 is very similar to preset 1, which may make the user proceed to the next keyboard in the shop.
It's a much better showcase to aim for "wow, that's different!" with every new preset.

I also hate random order and always reorganize my stuff according to MY preference, which I guess most anyone does post-purchase.

This makes a lot of sense.
I myself would be slightly taken aback if a keyboard I am playing with in a shop had the patches sorted in the way you mention, despite it being the most logical for my own use.
I guess we solved the mystery

Yeah, I would argue that the random sorting is actually a much better demo than all pianos in one bank, all leads in one bank, etc. Now if you are searching for particular sounds, that makes sense, but if you're trying it for the first time the randomness will give you a better idea of what the synth can do as a whole (assuming the presets show that off anyway.)

I own Nord Lead A1, 4, 3, 2X, Stage 3, Nord Wave, the foremost reason for not buying Nord Wave 2 is the keybed. The Nord Stage 3 Compact got the same organlike weighted keybed and its just too heavy for me, so my Nord Stage 3 Compact dont get much use around here. I'm used to Synth Action keybeds and like it that way, light, easy to get around the keybed without the need to go to a fitness center to workout just to press down some damn keys.

What I don't like nowadays is the SIZE of the keys. They all are smaller. This is also at the A1 synthesizer. This is a reason for me not to buy the wave 2 and why I sold my A1
Playing now on electro 6 for that reason.

Granted, the A1 keys are smaller, but the W2 keys are nearly identical to the keys on my NS3 Compact. Only difference is that the compact keys are 1/16" longer. Black keys and key width are the same. Which Electro model do you have?

-dj
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The keys on the Electro 6 and the Wave 2 are, as far as I can tell, exactly the same size... at least within the measurement tolerance that I can produce here.