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Analog is not the issue here. Even with digital, there are tons of patches that have a "release" sound which you hear after a key is released (that is, after a Note Off event), whether it's a gradual decay of the main sound, or some other sound that is triggered on release. Sending All Notes Off--just like sending an individual Note Off--won't silence these sounds (at least, not immediately). If you want to silence the sounds--essentially sending a key a Note Off but also a "don't play the release part of the patch"--you would need All Sounds Off rather than All Notes Off. At least this is my understanding.maxpiano wrote:there is also MIDI CC#120 = All Sounds Off, similar to All Notes Off but more "radical" as it also resets envelopes (consider that when MIDI was born there were mainly analog synths around)
From a MIDI perspective, "All Sound Off" (if supported) should create the same "instant silence" result as panic. But what if the problem with the receiving device is that it is hung in such a way that it is no longer receiving MIDI commands? That's where a non-MIDI hard panic function built into the device comes into play... it can be implemented in such a way that it works even when MIDI fails. (Which also means, by definition, there can't be a MIDI command for it.)Hlaalu wrote:But then what's the difference with "panic"?
If that's the case, CC 123 should be the right command to silence also "decaying" notes. Of course, IF the NS3 supports this command.anotherscott wrote:Analog is not the issue here. Even with digital, there are tons of patches that have a "release" sound which you hear after a key is released (that is, after a Note Off event), whether it's a gradual decay of the main sound, or some other sound that is triggered on release. Sending All Notes Off--just like sending an individual Note Off--won't silence these sounds (at least, not immediately). If you want to silence the sounds--essentially sending a key a Note Off but also a "don't play the release part of the patch"--you would need All Sounds Off rather than All Notes Off. At least this is my understanding.maxpiano wrote:there is also MIDI CC#120 = All Sounds Off, similar to All Notes Off but more "radical" as it also resets envelopes (consider that when MIDI was born there were mainly analog synths around)
From a MIDI perspective, "All Sound Off" (if supported) should create the same "instant silence" result as panic. But what if the problem with the receiving device is that it is hung in such a way that it is no longer receiving MIDI commands? That's where a non-MIDI hard panic function built into the device comes into play... it can be implemented in such a way that it works even when MIDI fails. (Which also means, by definition, there can't be a MIDI command for it.)[/quote]Hlaalu wrote:But then what's the difference with "panic"?
Correct and I agree Scott, it applies to any sound source actually and that's the meaning of the message ("silence all sounds immediately") and teh difference to All Notes Off; thanks for keeping me honest.anotherscott wrote:Analog is not the issue here. Even with digital, there are tons of patches that have a "release" sound which you hear after a key is released (that is, after a Note Off event), whether it's a gradual decay of the main sound, or some other sound that is triggered on release. Sending All Notes Off--just like sending an individual Note Off--won't silence these sounds (at least, not immediately). If you want to silence the sounds--essentially sending a key a Note Off but also a "don't play the release part of the patch"--you would need All Sounds Off rather than All Notes Off. At least this is my understanding.maxpiano wrote:there is also MIDI CC#120 = All Sounds Off, similar to All Notes Off but more "radical" as it also resets envelopes (consider that when MIDI was born there were mainly analog synths around)
I think that, if properly implemented, receiving an "all sounds off" should kill all sounds. Now, whether every keyboard does that is another matter, as is whether a board implements it at all.baekgaard wrote:Not sure if all sound off also kills effects?
+1, it all depends on if/how the CC#120 (All Sounds Off) is implemented.anotherscott wrote:I think that, if properly implemented, receiving an "all sounds off" should kill all sounds. Now, whether every keyboard does that is another matter, as is whether a board implements it at all.baekgaard wrote:Not sure if all sound off also kills effects?
I haven't been able to get to my Stage 3 yet and test.maxpiano wrote: +1, it all depends on if/how the CC#120 (All Sounds Off) is implemented.
(or switch it off then back on) 
...unless it is CC# 666, the self-ignition message.maxpiano wrote:Nothing to be afraid of, any change won't be permanent, worst case you can... use the Panic button on the NS3
In this case, it will be permanent. 