Time nord released an editor for Nord Hardware.

[cgrafx]

I wonder if Spectrasonics Omnisphere wouldn't already give you the interface readout your looking for. They have support for the NS3.

[LewTheKeysGuy]

I wonder if Spectrasonics Omnisphere wouldn't already give you the interface readout your looking for. They have support for the NS3.

nope, completely unusable for blind users. I have a copy of it, the only use out of it is controlling the software from other tools to become a sound library, even then it's challenging.

As I'm saying, Nord needs to heavily improve NSM and in doing so, create an editor of some sort, ok, fine, ditch offline mode, less to work on, but at least give users the ability to develop programs and resources from the host computer, back up on the fly, etc the ability to copy settings that can be selected or global settings per page, etc, the necessary tools, to help with sound development, etc. not much to ask is it?

lew

[stringtapper]

I guess I’m not understanding how this potential editor would be any more usable for the blind than something like the Omnisphere solution suggested… or any other piece of software?

[stringtapper]

not much to ask is it?

Ah yes, the common clarion call of the software feature requester who has never programmed!

[LewTheKeysGuy]

not much to ask is it?

Ah yes, the common clarion call of the software feature requester who has never programmed!

were-as, I have programmed. former Apple internal developer - VoiceOver screen reader for Mac + iOS), etc. I'm just completely away from software development now, it's harder without a braille display to read through code efficiently.

lew

[LewTheKeysGuy]

OK Folks, As of last night, Nord has been officially emailed, not only about NSM and further development as discussed here, but also regarding further matters, my email represents all members here who have requested help in various matters, complained about various issues, etc so they will have to read through that in-depth. After last night having to go through pure hell, I decided that enough was enough and time to act. Many isues have been raised and with this, I would ask that anyone who has issues with software, hardware, etc feature requests of benefit, etc, contact nord through the feedback page found here : https://www.nordkeyboards.com/about-us/feedback and talk to them, they will not know nor learn unless we as owners and users tell them. Invite them to our forum, encourage them to communicate with us, if they don't learn from us owners, users, etc then nothing will get done.

simple as that.


lew

[analogika]

As a blind musician myself who loves to design sounds, I'll take working on hardware over software editors every and any day, assuming the interface is good of course. I couldn't care less what the value on screen says. I just listen until the control is dialed in where I want it. Now if Nords were not as accessible as they are I would totally agree, and some of the functions you've listed could be helpful for everyone, but having messed around with many instrument editors the likelyhood of such a program even being accessible, let alone as easy to use as the hardware interface, is very low.

Re: copying related settings to different patches, Nords already allow you to copy programs on the hardware, and unless I am misunderstanding you I thought you had mentioned to me in the past that you can do this in Sound Manager?

I can only speak for myself regarding offline mode, but I would never desire such a feature unless the software could play the results. This wouldn't work as they'd basically need to design a software recreation of all the Nord engines that can play all their formats, modeling, effects etc. This would be waaaaayyyyy more time consuming than twisting a few knobs on the hardware, for me at least.

Now, as far as user-created Nord Piano Library files, we have discussed that before and I would absolutely love it if this became a reality. I suspect there is a well thought-out reason why Nord has not allowed users to create these files, but I have no idea what that would be. I wish they'd open up the format; we could then have all kinds of other non-piano sounds in that section too, the obvious advantages being multi velocity samples and release samples.

[LewTheKeysGuy]

As a blind musician myself who loves to design sounds, I'll take working on hardware over software editors every and any day, assuming the interface is good of course. I couldn't care less what the value on screen says. I just listen until the control is dialed in where I want it. Now if Nords were not as accessible as they are I would totally agree, and some of the functions you've listed could be helpful for everyone, but having messed around with many instrument editors the likelyhood of such a program even being accessible, let alone as easy to use as the hardware interface, is very low.

Re: copying related settings to different patches, Nords already allow you to copy programs on the hardware, and unless I am misunderstanding you I thought you had mentioned to me in the past that you can do this in Sound Manager?

I can only speak for myself regarding offline mode, but I would never desire such a feature unless the software could play the results. This wouldn't work as they'd basically need to design a software recreation of all the Nord engines that can play all their formats, modeling, effects etc. This would be waaaaayyyyy more time consuming than twisting a few knobs on the hardware, for me at least.

Now, as far as user-created Nord Piano Library files, we have discussed that before and I would absolutely love it if this became a reality. I suspect there is a well thought-out reason why Nord has not allowed users to create these files, but I have no idea what that would be. I wish they'd open up the format; we could then have all kinds of other non-piano sounds in that section too, the obvious advantages being multi velocity samples and release samples.

ey up, good hearing from you.

there is a huge difference between copying programs and copying particular settings. The example being. say you're using the sample synth and using a particular sample, but NSE has created particular values for the .nsmp3 file you don't want, such as filter change, ADSR values, etc but you are layering the sample between panel A and Panel B with differing effects or octave shift, say you are after particular ADSR filter values, then you would need some form of information as to what's presented. tell me you can between layers on switching, compare exact timing points for ADSR without creating phase offsets etc. OK I do this a fair bit and getting a particular sound takes some time to fully sculpt, etc.

The other example of the above is where you have programs using other instruments but would like to use particular filter, ADSR, etc values in other programs, without a full reprogramming of the synth section.

The behaviour of the sample synth as an example is that of where an .NSMP3 file is called up and contains pre-defined parameters such as ADSR, filter amount, cutoff amount, assigned parameters, etc, you change from one sample to another which has different characteristics from the file's creator. to change those settings requires you to know the values originally there and then modify to values you like, if you're like me, it's not just a basis of feeling and listening to what's created, but also the math behind it.

If NSM had a combined editor, it would be advised to design it not necessarily as an emulated UI, but more on the basis of a table with rows and columns which give values, button enable / disable, etc. I do agree that thinking this through that an offline mode isn't worth the hassle, though I've used 2 editors with offline mode and they've helped a heck of a lot. So to make editing easier and accessible, the described interface would work with any screen reader, rather than a GUI / Emulated layout which is too much mess.

The Stage and other instruments do not contain functions like you'd have on a motif, kronos or fantom, to copy settings, layers, etc as they are more workstation based tools. The stage isn't.

I hope that settles the comments raised.

lew

[tsss27]

Thanks for the clarifications. Copying individual layers makes sense. However, doesn't the synth section of the Nord Stage basically already do this on the hardware with the synth presets? That way you don't even have to match the settings. It wouldn't work in your second example of matching a different instrument sample to the parameters of the original, so I guess you got me there. I hate math, so I'm definitely not focused on the math behind it haha! But we all work differently, I will have a sound in my head and a plan to get there, so just edit the controls. I find I work a lot slower with a software editor than with physical knobs, sliders and buttons. But it may be a bit unfair to say that because the software editors are for things like Motifs that have tons more options and thousands of waveforms to go through.

[LewTheKeysGuy]

Thanks for the clarifications. Copying individual layers makes sense. However, doesn't the synth section of the Nord Stage basically already do this on the hardware with the synth presets? That way you don't even have to match the settings. It wouldn't work in your second example of matching a different instrument sample to the parameters of the original, so I guess you got me there. I hate math, so I'm definitely not focused on the math behind it haha! But we all work differently, I will have a sound in my head and a plan to get there, so just edit the controls. I find I work a lot slower with a software editor than with physical knobs, sliders and buttons. But it may be a bit unfair to say that because the software editors are for things like Motifs that have tons more options and thousands of waveforms to go through.

lol.

the sign of a good editor is how it's designed. For a Stage 3 as an editor, there's an easy way of doing things, a scaleable editor that detects which instrument you have, once it's done that it loads a template of a series of easy to navigate rows and columns per structure. so, let's say you're mapping out the synth, you'd assign a series of rows and columns with value entry fields and buttons, the sample synth object would be a pull down that refers to the sample lib from within NSM so it automatically has a live index. Editor elements for the piano and organ would behave in similar manners, so it's an easier to navigate editor than an intensive GUI. This is perfectly viable.

Yep, you can go between pages and call up certain presets, but when as an example you find a program as your starting point, whether it has 1 or 2 pages assigned to the program, if you were working on certain settings, as an example, applying pan, effect sends, etc and you wanted to dial in to a particular figure, the editor would allow that. If you were reproducing settings from one program to another, normally you save as next available slot location and rename, then edit, but what if you just want to grab ADSR, Effect send / routing, etc, you'd have to do an A/B comparison between elements and even then be out by a pinch, but still viable.

There was one editor of interest I did like from SoundTower, The Kurzweil PC3 series editor, accessible for the most part with some tweaks, also the VST / AU editor for the roland Integra 7, that does help but it means being in a DAW environment at the time, which isn't always practical.

lew