B3/leslie types - Can you hear the difference

[Obwanz]

Wow thanks for that. I’m going to listen much more closely. I thought there was no difference!

[lordy]

Why prove a machine can see something, if ear, human can not ?

[cgrafx]

Why prove a machine can see something, if ear, human can not ?

Because its the difference between a bug where the function is not working and not a bug, where the function is working but probably should have a change to the settings.

[baekgaard]

Why prove a machine can see something, if ear, human can not ?

Exactly what @cgrafx said!

Besides, I can hear a difference, with the unaided ear. So I don't agree that no human can hear the difference

Obviously, I agree that it's difficult to hear the difference, but it's not impossible. And I don't argue that the current settings are "correct" in terms of being the "best" settings Nord could choose.

[lordy]

If you don’t want nord to change this little problem, continue to say you can hear the difference.
May be you re not human, whooaaa. Just kidding

[baekgaard]

If you don’t want nord to change this little problem, continue to say you can hear the difference.
May be you re not human, whooaaa. Just kidding

I feel pretty human here

I just think that we "help" Nord best by pointing out where the problem is, in as much detail as possible.

I think that strategy has "proved" to work well here, based on a quite active and fast stream of releases and bugfixes adressing the bugs we (collectively) have found and reported with as much detail as possible. Bugs that are precise and easy to reproduce are usualy also faster to fix.

In this particular case, it's not a user interface problem, but an issue of how much "vintageness" should be applied in the organ modelling. So Nord should not spend time trying to find and fix something in the user interface, but consider what the best options are in the organ modelling engine My guess is it may even be different people inside the company that works on these issues, but I don't know, of course.

[cgrafx]

I'd rather Nord spend the time to expand the Leslie/B3 options to match or at least be roughly comparable to my NE5D. The whole point of my purchasing the Stage 3 is to replace my NE5 with a single keyboard and not have to purchase a 3rd keyboard for synth sounds. I definitely don't want to take a step backwards, since I started with Nord specifically because of the quality of the Hammond emulation. Given the cost of the Stage, the organ section should be feature-for-feature comparable to the NE5.

There is certainly nothing preventing Nord from implementing this, it is strictly a software/firmware change.

[anotherscott]

There is certainly nothing preventing Nord from implementing this, it is strictly a software/firmware change.

That's conjecture. When the NS2 didn't have all the organ options of the NE3 (like one of the Vintage settings), I remember Nord saying that the NS2 had (as pretty much all designs do) a certain fixed space available for code, and the NS2 had so much other stuff in it, there just wasn't room to also include all the NE3 organ options in the design. Similarly, I remember that when they added a certain Leslie model to the Stage, you couldn't keep the older one if you liked it, because there wasn't room for the code for both, meaning the new one had to replace rather than supplement the old one.

My point is that we just don't know what the constraints might be, in terms of offering all the E5D options within the NS3 design. I suspect it's easier for them to change the way something sounds than it is to provide more options for the user to be able to change the way something sounds. But if the comments here are any indication, my guess is that they're getting enough feedback that they will try to address what people are seeing as shortcomings in one way or another, even if they can't provide all the options. Personally, if they can't include every NE5D adjustment within the NS3's own menus, I'd also be content if some of those additional adjustments (which are usually accessed only rarely anyway) could be adjusted via a computer-based editor.

[NordNerd431]

Seems to me that if one has to try so hard to prove a difference, then there is no real world difference in the first place.

[Obwanz]

The most dramatic difference between the stage 3 organ and ALL other Nords is the chorus/vibrato which ANYONE could hear the difference with an A/B comparison! I surely hope they can/will fix this!!