Rhodes - why only new pianosamples and no proper Rhodes

[elecpiano]

Ironically, the Rhodes sound of Korg SV-1 suffer a similar defect.

have you tried a SV1? have you tried the second and third sound pack?
The reverb is on the effect side and not in sampled sound and the resonance is controllable by half damper technique (maybe you have played a SV1 with a broken damper pedal? )
You can control amount of noises, electrical defects and key-click in every sounds too... set the type of emulated amplifier and speakers...

I sold my Electro to take a SV1 just for electric piano sounds (and then also for the great RH3 keyboard).

As in all things, are personal tastes but compare the "defects" (or character) of electric piano Clavia sounds with SV1 seems greatly exaggerated.

I'd like to know that others think in this forum about the comparison Korg / Clavia for electric piano sounds, but the original question remains: why Clavia does not create new (and better!) electric piano sounds ?

[Gustavo]

I have a korg M50 and just i jus played a Korg Krome. None have a comparable sound to the Nord. I can't remember very well the Kronos or the SV-1 sound, as it has been 2 years since I played any of them. But I remember they didn't sound too far from the M50.

That said, the Nord Rhodes sounds leave something to be desired. I actually just bought a Yamaha Reface CP and it sounds superb. I don't have my NS2 with me though, so I can't compare.

[elecpiano]

have you tried a SV1? have you tried the second and third sound pack?

Yes, I bought a SV1 due to the Rhodes sound and the defect remains in all sound packs

The reverb is on the effect side and not in sampled sound and the resonance is controllable by half damper technique (maybe you have played a SV1 with a broken damper pedal? )

It is a defect in the the sampled sound side. Specifically in the release sampled sounds (only upper area)

Do you have a SV1? try the following:
Choose the electric piano # 1(any pack), press the sustain pedal and play a chord in the upper area, wait a few seconds and release the pedal. Now, clearly, you hear the release sampled sounds. It is like a second attack, too strong. The same thing happens without pedal. This invalidates any attempt to make music with nuances in this area (I like to play jazz). No Rhodes piano does that sound (I have a Suitcase and Stage Mark I)

Clavia problem is different, but similar, since we are talking about bad programming of release sounds. No "character" here

[AinTziLLo]

@ Gustavo
you are right; the M50 and the SV1 have the same sound generation, the Korg EDS (Enhanced Definition Synthesis). The Kronos has 9 sound engine (for electric piano sounds it use the EP-1-MDS sound engine).
The SV1 can have a richer and warmer sound (using the Vox Valve Reactor technology) compared to M50. The Kronos (in my opinion) has the best electric piano sounds (through a new sound generation technology).

@ Elecpiano
that you say is the RX component of a sound in the SV1 engine.
Korg’s RX noise technology, RX being short for Real eXperience. RX noise is the mechanical noise created by some, but not all, instruments. In the case of a piano, for example, the mechanical noise would include the sound of the key being released, the hammer returning to its rest position, and the damper resonance of the strings. This all goes to make the instrument sound more authentic. The RX noise level can be adjusted by pressing the Function button and then using the Bass control in the EQ section to adjust the level.
It's like a sound with two layer (the sound itself and the RX component). You can control the RX in real time building the sound you like (and store it in a memory location for future use).
Also everyones Rhodes sounds different therefore everyones perception of what a rhodes should be is different. The RX level can adjust the SV1 rhodes sound to your tastes; the amp simulation and the effects allow you to find the sound you looking for too.

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but, in your opinion, why Clavia don't make new ep sounds? this is the question in this topic...
is it a hardware limitation? (in the management of samples that need many layers to be expressive and real. nobody knows how many layers can manage the Nord Piano Library.)
only marketing choice? (with new Nord Piano 3, it makes sense to have a set of acoustic piano that covering every musical genre)

[elecpiano]

that you say is the RX component of a sound in the SV1 engine.

No, the sampled release sounds (damper sounds) are part of the basic sound. Nothing to do with the RX component. Are you checked this? I do

Also everyones Rhodes sounds different therefore everyones perception of what a rhodes should be is different.

Of course, it is an electric instrument -like a electric guitar- and can sound in many ways but...
a poorly adjusted piano is always a maladjusted piano. Bad tines and loose dampers should not be part of the equation

but, in your opinion, why Clavia don't make new ep sounds? this is the question in this topic...

I don't know why, but it is clear that Clavia is more interested in recreating acoustic pianos. Even his Clavinet sounds are outdated (no sampled release sounds!). Perhaps it is because they are a small company and must prioritize their objectives.

[pablomastodon]

Perhaps it is because they are a small company and must prioritize their objectives.

I am not in a position to "know" the answer to this question, but suspect that your comment here, elecpiano, is probably closest to the truth. It does seem likely that clav and perhaps rhodes sounds will eventually be revisited by Nord in the future, but at the moment they probably feel that they have "bigger fish to fry."

Bless,

Pablo

[maurus]

... and that sounds very probable Pablo. I'm sure there are several big fish in the pipeline.

On the other hand, part of Nord's well-deserved cult status derives from the quality of their sound libraries. A few years back their electromechanical piano sounds were highly competitive in the market. And while I'd say they haven't been surpassed by other companies in the acoustic piano department - what with the very charming realism, and these days, impressive variety, of the Nord Piano Library - they now lag a bit behind when it comes to expressive Rhodes sounds. Hence it would certainly not damage their position in the market if Clavia would add some new .npno samples in the electromechanical piano department....

[elecpiano]

It does seem likely that clav and perhaps rhodes sounds will eventually be revisited by Nord in the future

I hope to live long enough to see this!

[elecpiano]

Hence it would certainly not damage their position in the market if Clavia would add some new .npno samples in the electromechanical piano department....

[offrhodes]

Is there really anything wrong with the built-in Rhodes?
I just had a go at the "Shallow 5.3" built-in sound. In comparison, on the Kurz 2661 next to it (EP ROM) the layer switching is painfully obvious if you try to bring in the "bark" gradually on the low end.
I've owned a Mk2 73 Suitcase and it never even came close to this.

I'm no Nord (or anyone else's) fanboi. But the subject line suggests that there is "no proper Rhodes". And that is b*ll.