Mirroring Outputs on NS3

[analogika]

This kind of sucks. I was hoping there was a mode where you could just have 3-4 be the same as 1-2

I mean, I can't be the only guy who would like to have one set of stereo outputs going to his amp and the other going to the mixer/DAW.

It is a rare situation indeed where a mixer doesn’t have a way to route back out to an amp (or rather, where you’re not recording the amp itself in the first place, or where a signal needs to go two places at once and you’re not at least running through a D.I. box (with pass-thru) or a stage splitter.

There are plenty of good passive splitters available; they aren’t expensive. I have a mono Lehle Splitter for such situations, rare as they are (I use it to split the Rhodes into both the amp and the Space echo at home so I don’t have to have the echo switched on when playing; I don’t need it in the studio).

[Fallboard]

This kind of sucks. I was hoping there was a mode where you could just have 3-4 be the same as 1-2

I mean, I can't be the only guy who would like to have one set of stereo outputs going to his amp and the other going to the mixer/DAW.

And there are any number of ways to accomplish exactly that.

1. Direct boxes (which pretty much all come with through connections)
2. output 1&2 to your DAW and headphone out to your amp
3. mixer output back to your amp
4. Amp connection back to your mixer (many amps have additional outs, particularly if they are keyboard amps)
5. submixer with outputs to both the mixer/DAW and your amp

I want to avoid dealing with any extra equipment. The DAW/Mixer is my friend, our drummer at his studio. If he doesn't have the free outputs then that puts me back at having to throw a mixer or something into my bag. Like, I know how to work around this problem, I just wish I didn't have to.

[cgrafx]

Options 1 and 2 don't require a lot of extra equipment.

Either a stereo direct box or a simple stereo to TRS to TS breakout cable will get you exactly what your asking for.

[Jo Osantos1]

@Jo Osantos1: It's probably a (hardware) limitation of some kind.

And if you need to send the same to multiple places, the options cgrafx lists are all possible, and would likely be the ways I would do it anyway.

I know, i do use DI-BOX, but this is stupid...
The price that you pay for this Keyboard and not being able to use this function? C'mon, even my RD-700GX does this

[MrTobbe]

Whats the point of not being able to heard the same sound from the 4 outputs?

I have only tested with Piano sound... and i do have the same sound to get out from the 4 outputs

I'm sorry - I have to revise by previous post, I was wrong (and the user manual too...). It actually IS possible to route one single sound to all 4 outputs, so Jo Osantos - you were right, or at least partly right.

As I wrote in my earlier post, it says on page 51 of the Nord Stage Manual (revision D):

This allows for setting which stereo output pair or mono output to use
for each panel.
Range: Stereo 1-2 (Default), 3-4, 3, 4
E Sounds using the Rotary effect are always routed to outputs 1-2,
regardless of Output Routing settings.

But it turns out, when I tried this with my Stage 3 a couple of hours ago, that there is a fifth alternativ in the "range" above. You can also route the Panel to output 1-4, it's as simple as that!

But there is a but... the second part is still true, any sound that's routed to the Rotary, will not be heard from output 3-4. Rotary is hard wired to the 1-2 (+headphones) output, unfortunately - but the good news is that in the Stage 3, the reverb and compressor follows the routing you select for each panel, so now it's only the Rotary that is a problem - all other sounds can be routed to outputs 1-4 simultaneously.

I will change my previous post - and Jo Santos, it would be great if you could delete/edit my quote, so there's no more
false information in this thread.

[MrTobbe]

I thought I'd do a schematic of the signal flow, or rather how I imagine the signal flow is, for the Stage 3 and Stage 2 respectively. Now, of course, these signal flows are simplified, not showing all the optional routes for each of the three sections (organ, piano, synth). To also include that each FX-units can be used exclusively on one of the the three sections, and the fact that there is a sub output routing for each panel, would require a far more complex chart. In any case - I think it visualize quite good how the compressor, reverb, rotary and the four outputs are connected.

Nord Stage 3

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                                                                   +---+
                    Panel A                                   +--->+Rot|
 +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+   +----+   +---+       |    +---+
 |Org/Pno/Syn+-->+FX1+-->+FX2+-->+DLY+-->+Comp+-->+REV+------>o      |
 +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+   +----+   +---+       |      v
                                                              |   +------+
                    Panel B                                   o-->+Out1|2+---+
 +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+   +----+   +---+       |   +------+   |   +------+
 |Org/Pno/Syn+-->+FX1+-->+FX2+-->+DLY+-->+Comp+-->+REV+------>o              +-->+Phones|
 +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+   +----+   +---+       |   +------+   |   +------+
                                                              +-->+Out3|4+---+
                                                                  +------+

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*I'm not 100% sure if the reverb is post compressor, or vice versa
** "o" in this chart means a choice of different paths, like out 1-2 and/or 3-4, or Rotary

Nord Stage 2

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                     Panel A                                         +------+
  +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+                          +-->+Phones|
  |Org/Pno/Syn+-->+FX1+-->+FX2+-->+DLY+--+                       |   +------+
  +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+  |                       |
                                         |        +----+   +---+ |   +------+
                                         +--->o-->+Comp+-->+REV+---->+Out1|2|
                     Panel B             |    |   +----+   +---+     +------+
  +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+  |    |
  |Org/Pno/Syn+-->+FX1+-->+FX2+-->+DLY+--+    |                      +------+
  +-----------+   +---+   +---+   +---+       +--------------------->+Out3|4|
                                                                     +------+

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*same here - I'm not sure that the compressor-reverb signal flow is correct
** "o" in my charts means a choice of different paths, like out 1-2 (with compressor and reverb) or 3-4
***I think the headphone output, of the Stage 2, is a copy of the 1-2 outputs

[baekgaard]

But there is a but... the second part is still true, any sound that's routed to the Rotary, will not be heard from output 3-4. Rotary is hard wired to the 1-2 (+headphones) output, unfortunately

Yes, that is exactly the main issue that sets 3-4 apart from 1-2/Headphones

[Jo Osantos1]

Whats the point of not being able to heard the same sound from the 4 outputs?

I have only tested with Piano sound... and i do have the same sound to get out from the 4 outputs

I'm sorry - I have to revise by previous post, I was wrong (and the user manual too...). It actually IS possible to route one single sound to all 4 outputs, so Jo Osantos - you were right, or at least partly right.

As I wrote in my earlier post, it says on page 51 of the Nord Stage Manual (revision D):

This allows for setting which stereo output pair or mono output to use
for each panel.
Range: Stereo 1-2 (Default), 3-4, 3, 4
E Sounds using the Rotary effect are always routed to outputs 1-2,
regardless of Output Routing settings.

But it turns out, when I tried this with my Stage 3 a couple of hours ago, that there is a fifth alternativ in the "range" above. You can also route the Panel to output 1-4, it's as simple as that!

But there is a but... the second part is still true, any sound that's routed to the Rotary, will not be heard from output 3-4. Rotary is hard wired to the 1-2 (+headphones) output, unfortunately - but the good news is that in the Stage 3, the reverb and compressor follows the routing you select for each panel, so now it's only the Rotary that is a problem - all other sounds can be routed to outputs 1-4 simultaneously.

I will change my previous post - and Jo Santos, it would be great if you could delete/edit my quote, so there's no more
false information in this thread.

Ok, i will do that. I remenber that when i got mine, i was taking a look at the settings and found out the Output info... then i changed mine to 1-4 So i can have my piano/rhodes on the 4 outputs

[Copia]

But there is a but... the second part is still true, any sound that's routed to the Rotary, will not be heard from output 3-4. Rotary is hard wired to the 1-2 (+headphones) output, unfortunately

Yes, that is exactly the main issue that sets 3-4 apart from 1-2/Headphones

Oh, shoot. That is exactly what I was going to drop in and ask about. I broke the plastic channel jack for channel 1 on the back of my new Nord Stage 3 Compact after having it for 2 weeks. So I have to route everything through channels 3-4 instead of 1-2. The rotary isn't working and I was going to ask if anyone had the same problem. Darn it; I won't be able to use organ like I want until I get this machine to an authorized repair shop two hours away. Thanks MrTobbe and baekgaard!

[Fallboard]

But there is a but... the second part is still true, any sound that's routed to the Rotary, will not be heard from output 3-4. Rotary is hard wired to the 1-2 (+headphones) output, unfortunately

Yes, that is exactly the main issue that sets 3-4 apart from 1-2/Headphones

Oh, shoot. That is exactly what I was going to drop in and ask about. I broke the plastic channel jack for channel 1 on the back of my new Nord Stage 3 Compact after having it for 2 weeks. So I have to route everything through channels 3-4 instead of 1-2. The rotary isn't working and I was going to ask if anyone had the same problem. Darn it; I won't be able to use organ like I want until I get this machine to an authorized repair shop two hours away. Thanks baekgaard!

Oh jeez, how did that happen?