Bass with Ride Cymbal

[joepiano]

Hi
Does anyone have a good quality Bass with ride cymbal sample to share, for use as left hand with piano split.

Thanks in advance
Joe

[Alainmayson]

Hi
Did you (or anybody else) find a sample for this? I thought I'd find a WAV of this quite easily but can't find one anywhere!

[GuyTilde]

That's because creating this sound is deceptively complex. There is a pitched sound (the bass) with an unpitched sound (the cymbal). If you use the same sample for more than one note of the bass, you change the pitch of the cymbal. The more you do this, the odder it sounds. The you want the cymbal to ring on, but not the bass, so they also need separate envelopes. No problem for a rompler, but not how Nords are designed (although on a Stage 2 you could layer a Bass and Cymbal in different slots).

Creating a single sample that does all this is therefore tricky and an exercise in compromises. To illustrate this, I've thrown something together, using some upright bass samples from Carlos Vaquero's set on Freesound (CC Attribution Non-commercial) and a filtered ride cymbal. Each sample is stretched over three semitones. Note how the ride cymbal changes character. The useable range is E1 to about D4, but the example takes it up to C5 so you can hear how stretched a cymbal would get with less samples. See what you think:

• BassCym.mp3

BassCym.nsmp

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If you're going to attempt to use this, you will have to manually play legato to avoid the cymbal suddenly cutting off. No warranty is given, as I have an Electro I haven't even been able to check the tuning.

[Alainmayson]

Thanks for taking the time and effort. Works well.

[Kayj_prod]

Actually I was thinking that the timbre of the ride changing with each note gave a sort of round robin effect to begin with. Sure, playing a scale the repeated change starts to stand out, but I wonder how obvious this would be playing a walking bass through a chord progression... and with the piano too.

[Mr_-G-]

What about using the cymbal sample at a fixed pitch (I am almost sure that you can do that in the sample editor) and the other synth to load a pitched bass sample? That way the cymbal never changes character.

[maxpiano]

What about using the cymbal sample at a fixed pitch (I am almost sure that you can do that in the sample editor) and the other synth to load a pitched bass sample? That way the cymbal never changes character.

Assuming you can create a fixed pitch .nsmp (I am not sure, maybe by using the same wavefor fo reavery key in the range will do), that would require using 2 synths section as you say, since each .nsmp can only have 1 "behaviour" and 1 wave sample per key/zone (which in this case is the sum of cymbal+bass, if you want all in a single .nmsp, otherwise following your idea you need one .nsmp for bass and another one for the "fixed pitch cymbal"), which is quite a waste imho but it is doable and would make the ride sound independent from the bass also in terms of Mono behaviour and envelope (so you can set a long Release time to avoid cutoff when releasing the key)

To keep it simple, I'd rather build a single .nsmp with 1 combined .wav per note in the desired zone or... acknowledge that those types of sounds are "not NS2 Synth business" and use an external source for that sound (expander, VSTi on a PC, sound app on an iPad, ..) to be played using the NS2 Extern

[Mr_-G-]

Yes you can set a Play Mode: Unpitched, in the Samp Preset page of the sample editor.

[Cornopean]

That was what I meant by "although on a Stage 2 you could layer a Bass and Cymbal in different slots" in my post. Equally you could create a cymbal sound, unpitched, with multiple ride samples to add variety without altering pitch, although at present the sample editor doesn't let you use the same sample file twice unless you make a copy and load it in as an apparently different sample. This does solve the envelope problem, but restricts it to the Stage 2 and up whereas a single sample would work on the Electro.

Probably more efficient to go with maxpiano's suggestion, we'd only be looking at about 3MB tops.

[Alainmayson]

Bass and Ride.nsmp

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I decided to stop being so lazy and give sampling a go myself. I used the clear info. in this thread: http://www.norduserforum.com/nord-user- ... t1179.html and produced the attached sample. (Sorry no MP3 as I've disconnected everything now!)