S3 Song mode edits

[dtbdc]

Is there any way to edit (on the board) the song mode banks of 5 that when you need to slide a song in, "pushes" the rest up the list?
What I've been doing to make this possible sans laptop, is when designing song lists I limit the bank to 4 patches so in the future, if lead singer wants to roll with the changes before the gig, I can add one in that bank without editing the other 4 or 5 banks for the evening. But, a few years in, even that method has limits as most banks now have 5 patches and you gotta go back to laptop method to move everything around into different banks again to keep it useable on the fly. any better ideas out there?

This situation seems implausible by design to me. If you're familar with Korg's Kronos, when you are editing it works more like editing in microsoft Word, where you can choose to insert programs between or write over another. This is a much easier method to use just before the gig as is frequently the case.
Thx.
Dan

[ericL]

I’m pretty sure the Organize feature is the solution to your use case. You can very easily reorder the songs by moving them or swapping them. Unless I misunderstood your inquiry.

[ericL]

Hi there, checking to see if the organize feature has simplified your life.

[cgrafx]

Or just get a tablet and use a song/set list maker and then you can swap/add/reorder songs at any time and always have the correct patches without worrying about where they are on your keyboard or what band your playing with or constantly swapping out lists.

[anotherscott]

Is there any way to edit (on the board) the song mode banks of 5 that when you need to slide a song in, "pushes" the rest up the list?

This is a little confusing, in part because of terminology.

Song mode gives you 8 Banks (not 5), and each Bank has 50 Songs.

Each Song has 5 Parts (each of which is a pointer to a Program).

(I am capitalizing the terms that Nord uses to identify the various elements, to try to make things more clear.)

You can re-order/insert Songs using the Organize feature ericL mentioned. But I don't believe there's a comparable feature for re-organizing/inserting Parts within a Song, if that's what you're trying to do.

Picking up from that, I'll deal with the next part of your post in sections...

What I've been doing to make this possible sans laptop, is when designing song lists I limit the bank to 4 patches...

So if I get this right, what you mean in that italicized bit is that you limit the Song to 4 Parts?

...so in the future, if lead singer wants to roll with the changes before the gig, I can add one in that bank without editing the other 4 or 5 banks for the evening.

Okay, I'm more confused. Starting with the last part of that, when you say "add one in that bank," I think you you mean add one Part to that Song, but then I can't follow the part about "editing the other 4 or 5 banks" -- you mean moving the other 4 or 5 Parts? I think you had been using the word bank to mean Song, but here it seems you're using bank to mean Part? Maybe that was just a mis-type? Or I am completely misunderstanding what you're trying to do and what the problem is... which is not impossible. But continuing with what I *think* we're talking about...

Going back to the first part of that quote, "if lead singer wants to roll with the changes before the gig..." -- Why would a singer ever want to add a new section to a song before a gig? (Presumably a rhetorical question.)

I think maybe you're misunderstanding the whole concept of what Song Mode is really designed for. Typically, each set of 5 parts is for a single song in your set... Part 1 may be the sound you need for the first verse, Part 2 may be the sound you need for the chorus, Part 3 may be a sound you need for a later verse, Part 4 may be a sound you need for a bridge, Part 5 may be the sound you need for your lead. That would be an example of how people would typically use Song Mode.

The singer is not likely to say, "hey, tonight, between the bridge and last verse of the song, let's throw in a verse from some other song entirely," requiring you to suddenly need to insert a new sound into a Song that you've never needed when playing that song before. Since that's highly unlikely, I *think* you mean that the singer wants to add a song between two other songs. That's not generally what Parts are for, that's what Songs are for.

Typically, each song in your set list should correspond to a Song in NS3's Song Mode. A Song can have anywhere from 1 to 5 Parts. It is very common to have a song in your set list for which you need only one Program... in Song mode, the associated Song would have only a single Part. It sounds like maybe you're using 4 or 5 Parts of a Song to hold the sounds for multiple songs in your set list, do I have that right? If so, the solution is simple... stop doing that! Give each song in your set list its own Song in the Nord. If the song only needs 1 or 2 Parts, leave the other 3 or 4 Parts empty. Then you can use Organize mode to re-order your Songs at will, to match whatever changes to your set list that your singer calls for. Just like on Kronos. Which brings me to...

If you're familar with Korg's Kronos, when you are editing it works more like editing in microsoft Word, where you can choose to insert programs between or write over another. This is a much easier method to use just before the gig as is frequently the case.

Kronos' Set List mode is great, but Nord's Organize mode similarly lets you insert Songs between others. You add the Song to the Bank that corresponds to your current working set list, and then use Organize to place it anywhere you want in that Bank (set list), which includes letting you insert it between two other Songs that are already there.

Kronos doesn't really have something that works quite like Song Mode, in that Song Mode lets you link up to 5 Programs together and access them as a unit. The closest Kronos equivalent would probably be to put all the sounds you need for a song together into the same Combi, and use up to 4 KARMA Scenes to access them in different combinations.