NS4 Panel Versions 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3

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Re: NS4 Panel Versions 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3

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cgrafx wrote: 09 Jun 2025, 08:27 The revs pretty much all relate to physical changes on the panels. Any change to internal functionality would be done with OS updates and would be available to all revs, with the rare but notable exceptions where functionality was added that specifically requires the button layout change to make it accessible.
AFAIK, Nord has never stated whether a rev can or cannot denote changes having nothing to do with the front panel, so that seems like supposition. And if revs never refer to such changes (instead of or in addition to front panel changes), how do you explain the revs in which nobody has been able to identify any change to the panels?

Companies *do* sometimes make running changes to various components. Maybe they do it to fix issues, or to enable a new feature, or to address part availability from a supplier, whatever. Sometimes the change is publicized, sometimes not but people can still find out because there is some difference that can somehow be noticed, or because the companies later come out with an update which only applies to units with specific serial numbers, or a service center gets a note that a repair/adjustment may be done differently depending on whether the unit is above or below a certain serial number, that kind of thing. It is not at all unheard of, and there's certainly a reasonable possibility that Nord sometimes makes such internal running changes as well. If Nord chooses to denote a manufacturing change with a new printed rev instead of tracking their versions by serial number, why would you assume that the rev change can only possibly refer to changes in buttons/labels, and would be precluded from being used to refer to any other, less obvious change? Especially, again, when sometimes people fail to find any external visual change between one rev and another?
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Re: NS4 Panel Versions 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3

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<quote>AFAIK, Nord has never stated whether a rev can or cannot denote changes having nothing to do with the front panel, so that seems like supposition. And if revs never refer to such changes (instead of or in addition to front panel changes), how do you explain the revs in which nobody has been able to identify any change to the panels?</quote>

Having gone back and re-read the entire thread, I don't see any rev that doesn't describe a physical panel change. Again, there is no indication that Nord has specifically made a keybed change, only a single data point of one user that thinks it feels different (which is completely in the range of manufacturing variation). Even the statement that they were both new, doesn't negate that fact that, one of them was manufactured at an earlier date and could have easily been sitting in the store and been played on for sufficient time for the spings to wear in a bit versus the new unit, which may simply have been more recently pulled from a box.

It would be very odd to make a keybed change mid-product cycle unless there was some sort of manufacturing issue or Fatar had made the change to address a problem. Neither of those scenarios is documented anywhere or likely.

Either way, this discussion has now reached a point where it's no longer useful. We will simply have to agree to disagree.

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Re: NS4 Panel Versions 1.2, 1.3, 1.4, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, 2.3

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cgrafx wrote: 09 Jun 2025, 18:08 Having gone back and re-read the entire thread, I don't see any rev that doesn't describe a physical panel change.
I thought there was a rev somewhere in there where no panel change had been confirmed, but I may have just missed it, sorry if that's the case.
cgrafx wrote: 09 Jun 2025, 18:08 Even the statement that they were both new, doesn't negate that fact that, one of them was manufactured at an earlier date and could have easily been sitting in the store and been played on for sufficient time for the spings to wear in a bit versus the new unit, which may simply have been more recently pulled from a box.
Supposedly, both were new boxed units (one simply being older unsold stock), but it is not impossible that that was not in fact the case, I can't really be certain.
cgrafx wrote: 09 Jun 2025, 18:08 It would be very odd to make a keybed change mid-product cycle unless there was some sort of manufacturing issue or Fatar had made the change to address a problem.
There are other reasons a manufacturer may make a running change to a product besides addressing a problem. For example, its could be to make what they feel is some improvement to the design, or to lower its cost to manufacture, or to accommodate a change made by one of their suppliers, who knows? Anyway, I'm not saying it has happened here, but I do know of cases where Korg and Kurzweil have made changes to the actions they had been using in a given keyboard, it can happen.

But as I said earlier, I am perfectly willing to accept the possibility that I experienced a variation having nothing to do with the rev (e.g. a unit-to-unit variation). I'm just putting out my experience, and maybe over time, we'll see if people are finding such a pattern or not. I'm just a single data point.
cgrafx wrote: 09 Jun 2025, 18:08 We will simply have to agree to disagree.
And our disagreement is really pretty minor, I think. Neither of us knows for sure. We only disagree in our degree of how feasible we think such a change could possibly be. :-)
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