I really think it's time for a new Clavinet

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Re: I really think it's time for a new Clavinet

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anotherscott wrote:The release noises are a defect, indicating worn parts in the clavinet.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/9653 ... net-sounds
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tsss27 wrote:Some other examples of this trend: pitch drift in synthesizers, wow and flutter modulation in tape delays, and the LoFi vinyl effects. These were all things that at one point were viewed as undesireable.
Understood.
I'm more familiar with sound drift of old analogue synth.
I really like the vintage knob of my Sequential Take 5 that emulates the various drift in the sound.
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I own a D6 and am able to get a good sense of both the Nord clav and real thing. While I actually have always thought it was a very good quality sample and one of the closest IMO it got better once I learned how to create a patch basically using both panels and laying two clavs on top of each other. Much fuller sounding and with a real wah pedal good enough for me.
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Re: I really think it's time for a new Clavinet

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ElectroStrat wrote:
tsss27 wrote:Some other examples of this trend: pitch drift in synthesizers, wow and flutter modulation in tape delays, and the LoFi vinyl effects. These were all things that at one point were viewed as undesireable.
Understood.
I'm more familiar with sound drift of old analogue synth.
I really like the vintage knob of my Sequential Take 5 that emulates the various drift in the sound.
Funny you mention that, I have a Take 5 coming in the mail on Tuesday! I've used the vintage knob feature before with the Prophet6, it definitely adds some magic!
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tsss27 wrote:Funny you mention that, I have a Take 5 coming in the mail on Tuesday! I've used the vintage knob feature before with the Prophet6, it definitely adds some magic!
Very good choice :thumbup: !
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Re: I really think it's time for a new Clavinet

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WannitBBBad wrote:
tsss27 wrote:
anotherscott wrote:The release noises are a defect, indicating worn parts in the clavinet.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/9653 ... net-sounds

Similarly, people have often played out of tune pianos, but what was once a flaw can, in some circumstances, now be seen as desirable (e.g. a "honky tonk" piano patch).
Some other examples of this trend: pitch drift in synthesizers, wow and flutter modulation in tape delays, and the LoFi vinyl effects. These were all things that at one point were viewed as undesireable.
It's been years since I bought my D6 Clavinet, however I recall the sound of the string being dampened at the end, not a noise as described in the article of a faulty hammer. I sold it after about 5 years, so maybe not a lot of time for it to develop a "classic" flaw. +1 on a new Clavinet with maybe a choice, as I'd prefer simply the sound of the string being dampened at the end.
That's just dampening on release, not a "sound" in itself.

What most people seem to mean by "release sample" is the pluck heard when releasing a key on a vintage Clavinet. But in contrast to the sound made by a Rhodes or Wurlitzer or acoustic piano damper dropping back onto the tine/reed/string, no such thing happens in a Clavinet. The string just lifts off the anvil and is muted by the wool. The sound just dies off.

The plucking noise people have come to expect is the rubber pads under the keys deteriorating and becoming sticky with age, and holding on to the string when the key is released.

Yep, lots of Clavs do that, but none did from the factory, and they don't when they've been properly refurbished.
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analogika wrote:..The plucking noise people have come to expect is the rubber pads under the keys deteriorating and becoming sticky with age, and holding on to the string when the key is released. Yep, lots of Clavs do that, but none did from the factory, and they don't when they've been properly refurbished.
I'm curious if the Stage 4 synth will have the capability to emulate the release to create what some are looking for. Do you know if the Wave 2 synth can create a sound that's essentially silent until the key is released?
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Re: I really think it's time for a new Clavinet

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WannitBBBad wrote:
analogika wrote:..The plucking noise people have come to expect is the rubber pads under the keys deteriorating and becoming sticky with age, and holding on to the string when the key is released. Yep, lots of Clavs do that, but none did from the factory, and they don't when they've been properly refurbished.
I'm curious if the Stage 4 synth will have the capability to emulate the release to create what some are looking for. Do you know if the Wave 2 synth can create a sound that's essentially silent until the key is released?
I see no indication that the Nord Wave 2 would be capable of playing key-off samples, and really, I don't think any synthesizer that isn't also a professional stage piano has this capability. It requires being able to play a completely separate sample on release, and its sole use is to emulate the damper thud or harpsichord release — or Clavinet stickiness, I guess.

Some synths would be capable of a similar effect by inverting one of the envelopes, I suppose, opening up on release.
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analogika wrote:...Some synths would be capable of a similar effect by inverting one of the envelopes, I suppose, opening up on release.
That's what I was thinking but not sure the Wave 2 can cover it. Thanks
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Re: I really think it's time for a new Clavinet

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...look at 17:45
Cuckoo is cool :thanx:
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