Power conditioner or surge protector?

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Re: Power conditioner or surge protector?

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Hlaalu wrote:Indeed it's a line interactive type. I think you should be fine without other added equipment.
I agree. It’ll handle surges, correct for low/high voltage, and provide battery backup if power fails.

The only thing it won’t do that an online UPS will do is to work well with a portable generator or lousy AC input (bad frequency, lots of transients, etc.) I would never recommend this route unless your power was truly bad.
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Re: Power conditioner or surge protector?

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MarkJames wrote:
Hlaalu wrote:Indeed it's a line interactive type. I think you should be fine without other added equipment.
I agree. It’ll handle surges, correct for low/high voltage, and provide battery backup if power fails.

The only thing it won’t do that an online UPS will do is to work well with a portable generator or lousy AC input (bad frequency, lots of transients, etc.) I would never recommend this route unless your power was truly bad.
Yes well, the only true disadvantage of online UPSes is price: they are at least 2-3 times more expensive than line-interactive ones. They are also less efficient: more energy is needed for the always-on double conversion to take place, so in a sense they are more power hungry, even though this would likely be noticeable only with big and powerful units.
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Hlaalu wrote:
MarkJames wrote:
Hlaalu wrote:Indeed it's a line interactive type. I think you should be fine without other added equipment.
I agree. It’ll handle surges, correct for low/high voltage, and provide battery backup if power fails.

The only thing it won’t do that an online UPS will do is to work well with a portable generator or lousy AC input (bad frequency, lots of transients, etc.) I would never recommend this route unless your power was truly bad.
Yes well, the only true disadvantage of online UPSes is price: they are at least 2-3 times more expensive than line-interactive ones. They are also less efficient: more energy is needed for the always-on double conversion to take place, so in a sense they are more power hungry, even though this would likely be noticeable only with big and powerful units.
Yup. The Liebert GXT2 units I use (replaced with quieter fans) produce super clean power but lose 30% efficiency. If you can believe it I bought a bunch from eBay 8-10 years ago for around $100 each and bought new battery packs for around $80 each.

Big and 60 pounds a piece….

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Ok then I think it's safe to say I will stick with the APC UPS for now, so no need for power conditioner. Thank you MarkJames, Hlaalu and every1 else that helped and contributed!
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Ok now I have one question. The manual was so short reading through felt like it didn't help at all... do I want to keep the battery connected at all times? I think the box (or manual) recommended to disconnect when power drops but when that happens wouldn't I be unable to use my nord and shouldn't I just keep the battery connected? But uh.. I guess general rule of thumb still applies when not in use just disconnect and only connect when it's plugged in right?
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Winds wrote:Ok now I have one question. The manual was so short reading through felt like it didn't help at all... do I want to keep the battery connected at all times? I think the box (or manual) recommended to disconnect when power drops but when that happens wouldn't I be unable to use my nord and shouldn't I just keep the battery connected? But uh.. I guess general rule of thumb still applies when not in use just disconnect and only connect when it's plugged in right?
If you are storing the UPS for an extended period disconnect the battery. But otherwise leave it connected.

If you want to keep things off between sessions, you can turn on the UPS and then turn on the Nord. When you’re finished playing you can turn off your Nord and then switch off the UPS.

But to be honest I almost never turn off a UPS.
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MarkJames wrote: If you want to keep things off between sessions, you can turn on the UPS and then turn on the Nord. When you’re finished playing you can turn off your Nord and then switch off the UPS.

But to be honest I almost never turn off a UPS.
Alright I'll keep that in mind thank you!
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To be honest here, a good power conditioner would likely be more useful than a UPS. UPS's require regular maintenance (the batteries have to be replaced every 2-3 years). If the power goes off you still have to turn your equipment off, they are not designed to run for extended periods of time, only a short while to either carry over a small power outage or otherwise shut down your equipment.

Power conditioners don't have batteries and don't require any maintenance unless they have be damaged protecting the downstream equipment from an extensive power surge.

I'd look at something like this, which will not only protect against power surges but will adjust for brownouts/power sags.

https://www.tripplite.com/1000w-230v-po ... ter~lr1000
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Re: Power conditioner or surge protector?

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cgrafx wrote:To be honest here, a good power conditioner would likely be more useful than a UPS. UPS's require regular maintenance (the batteries have to be replaced every 2-3 years). If the power goes off you still have to turn your equipment off, they are not designed to run for extended periods of time, only a short while to either carry over a small power outage or otherwise shut down your equipment.

Power conditioners don't have batteries and don't require any maintenance unless they have be damaged protecting the downstream equipment from an extensive power surge.

I'd look at something like this, which will not only protect against power surges but will adjust for brownouts/power sags.

https://www.tripplite.com/1000w-230v-po ... ter~lr1000
Ok but then with a power conditioner what would the circuit flow be? Nord -> PC -> UPS -> mains or Nord -> UPS -> PC -> mains... or I skip one of and the chain would be shorter e.g. Nord -> PC -> mains... with the UPS never being used :lol:
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mains ~> power conditioner -> nord
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