Midi-Solution for the Wave2 and the Stage3?

[sirtobi]

Why is the Stage 3 receiving Control-Change-Messages from the Wave 2 even though the following settings have been made?

Midi Settings:
Stage 3: CC off
Wave 2: CC off

Does anyone have a solution without having to switch an additional midi controller in between?

With the Stage I would like to change the programs of the Wave
and with the Wave I would like to play the organs of the Stage.

The Program Change only works when Global Midi is activated. If Global Midi is switched off in the Wave, he does not receive or send any PC messages.
I've already tried all the options and can't get any further.

At the moment I do without Program Change and play the organs on panel B of the Stage with the Wave.
An alternative would have been to control the PC-messages with the Wave, but then the Wave plays all the sounds of the Stage.
I am frustrated.

[hoopyfrood]

Not sure why you're getting CC messages from the NW2 to the NS3.

You can use one of the Extern sections of the NS3 to change program on the NW2. First turn global program change (MIDI menu) on the NS3 off, then in one of the Extern sections (EXTERN menu), set the midi channel to the NW2 global channel and the program change number as desired. Then for that Extern section you can switch off all zones, so that it only sends the Program Change messages but no note data. To switch off all the zones, hold shift, and press the Extern section on/off until no green zone LEDs are lit. I use this approach to change programs on the NW2 from the NS3.

You can also use Dual KB mode to play the NS3 panel B organ from the NW2.

I find the MIDI implementation of the NW2 a bit limited and frustrating so I resorted to using an iPad running MidiFlow to duplicate MIDI channels so that I can for example play 2 NW2 layers from the NS3 and 2 layers from the NW2 keyboard. I also looked at BomeBox and Blokas MidiHub, but both solutions are expensive in comparison. I'm currently building the iPad into an effects / mixer rack so it doesn't involve any extra wiring.

[sirtobi]

Hello hoopyfrood, thank you very much for your detailed answer.
Unfortunately she doesn't help me any further.
In order for the Wave to receive a PC message, I have to activate Global Change (at the Wave). Now comes the problem:
The Wave plays all sounds that are in the Stage in panel B. The Wave should only use panel B if only organs are stored there.
It could be so easy if you could actually turn off the send and receive (PC and CC) functions. Why is this selection even possible in the midi section when it does not work, especially between two Nord synthesizers.
That's pretty annoying.

[DJKeys]

The Wave 2 was not designed as a master keyboard. It is a multi-timbral synth with four layers designed to have all four send and receive on the midi channels assigned to those layers, when connected to a DAW. The Stage 3 does have the master keyboard features, the Extern section. Sirtobi, I understand your frustration, but I believe your use case where you have both instruments connected to each other with Midi In and Midi Out is an isolated one. Since the Stage can be programmed per patch, why don't you send the program change only in the patches where you have an Organ stored in Panel B?

I have both instruments, but never need to play the NS3 from the Wave's keyboard.

-dj

[alex78]

It seems that the OP has a weighted stage model, so it's reasonable he prefers to play organ on the wave's SW keybed.

[DJKeys]

I figured that was the reason, but I don't see any workaround for this other than using some sort of Midi filter/switcher in between the instruments. The Wave 2 does not have "knowledge" of what might be programmed into Slot B of the Stage-

-dj

[sirtobi]

I have come to terms with the fact that the combination option does not work. But I don't find them that unusual, as my stage has weighted keys and I prefer to play organs with a waterfall keybed.

But up to now no one has been able to explain to me why my Stage, Wave and Electro have the option to switch the CC/PC on and off (send and receive), although it doesn't work. Why is this setting offered at all?

Nonetheless, I love my Nord keyboards.

[hoopyfrood]

It is possible to control NS3 Panel B Organ only from the NW2 keyboard using the Dual Kb mode on NS3 - just tested it and it works fine on my setup (NS3 OS v2.54, NW2 OS v1.20). The waterfall keyboard on the NW2 makes an excellent organ controller - if anything marginally better than the NS3 compact - although they're supposed to be the same keybed, I think the NW2 has a slightly shorter throw.

To set up Dual Keyboard mode on NS3, you need to first go the NS3 MIDI menu, and set up the DualKb MIDI channel to be the same as the NW2 global channel (in my setup both are set to MIDI channel 8). You choose Organ for Dual Kb mode by holding shift + Panel B knobs for a few seconds, then select Organ (or Piano or Synth) with the program dial. Activate Dual Kb mode with a short press of shift + Panel B (so that the Dual Kb light under the Panel B knob comes on), and you should be good to go to play NS3 Organ from the NW2 keyboard.

You might want to set up a silent NW2 patch for this (all layer volume faders to zero) and save this as a patch on the NW2. You can get the NS3 to select this patch by using one of the External sections as described in my post above.

[sirtobi]

It actually works - phenomenally! The Wave actually only plays the organs. Yeah!
I would never have thought of that. Thank you hoopyfrood.
Now I love my setup even more.
A good start into the new year to all of you!

[Android]

Turn off global midi on both keyboards, and create a patch on the nw2 with a silent channel that transmits on the same midi channel as your organ, or panel B, etc... this can be set patch by patch and does not need to be a global setting. Best of all, you can use the extern section on your ns3 to initiate the patch change on your nw2. Be sure to turn the zone lights off for the extern, and have it send patch change only. It’s very powerful once you understand it.