Good Piano Sample?

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Re: Good Piano Sample?

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there is no doubt. the nord piano samples are sh#t. all the eqing is rubbish. either a sound is good or not. a sh%t sound will not be good with a different eq. any roland, kork or yamaha keybord have good to brilliant piano sounds. very embarrassing for nord. organ, rhodes, flute, wurly, strings are wicked. pianos are the sh%ttest ive ever heard.
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Re: Good Piano Sample?

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dre wrote:there is no doubt. the nord piano samples are sh%t all the eqing is rubbish. either a sound is good or not. a sh%t sound will not be good with a different eq. any roland, kork or yamaha keybord have good to brilliant piano sounds. very embarrassing for nord. organ, rhodes, flute, wurly, strings are wicked. pianos are the sh%ttest ive ever heard.
Listen. It's a matter of taste. You may not like the paino samples. But then say that. Don't say they are sh%t.
In my opinion the nord piano sounds sound more natural, while the romplers sound very artificial. It all depends on what you want.
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Cbas wrote:
dre wrote:there is no doubt. the nord piano samples are sh%t. all the eqing is rubbish. either a sound is good or not. a sh%t sound will not be good with a different eq. any roland, kork or yamaha keybord have good to brilliant piano sounds. very embarrassing for nord. organ, rhodes, flute, wurly, strings are wicked. pianos are the sh%test ive ever heard.
Listen. It's a matter of taste. You may not like the paino samples. But then say that. Don't say they are sh%t.
In my opinion the nord piano sounds sound more natural, while the romplers sound very artificial. It all depends on what you want.
true, im just so disappointed!!!
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Yeah I understand what you mean. It's too bad, that the keyboard is not perfect for you, because you like all the other stuff. I guess I'm just lucky that I like it all.
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Johannes wrote:Regarding the Sample size, you should definitively use the MEDIUM samples as not only String resonance is left out in the small ones but also Pedal Down Samples!! Which is really a huge difference IMHO. Try both samples when playing using the pedal and you will hear a big difference!
Are you sure? I do not hear a difference between the small and medium samples on the Electro 3.
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Re: Good Piano Sample?

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When using the piano patches, select speaker as "COMP".
That's what I have discovered and wanted to share with everybody.
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Re: Good Piano Sample?

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doctorno wrote:
Johannes wrote:Regarding the Sample size, you should definitively use the MEDIUM samples as not only String resonance is left out in the small ones but also Pedal Down Samples!! Which is really a huge difference IMHO. Try both samples when playing using the pedal and you will hear a big difference!
Are you sure? I do not hear a difference between the small and medium samples on the Electro 3.
Here is a snippet from the Nord site:

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 The Large versions have the pedal-down String Resonance samples all across the keyboard, providing you with the fullest of sounds, but also the largest size. 

 The Medium versions have pedal-down String Resonance samples in the important middle region of the range, but omit these in the lowest and the highest areas. This gives you a good ratio of functionality and size. 

 Sml is the version that uses the least amount of space in the piano memory, but still carry a big and powerful punch. This version does not contain any String Resonance samples at all. If an Sml piano is selected in the Nord unit, the String Resonance feature (if applicable) will be disabled.
Without string resonance capability in our keyboards, this official definition tells me we should be using the small versions.
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dre wrote:there is no doubt. the nord piano samples are sh%t. all the eqing is rubbish. either a sound is good or not. a sh%t sound will not be good with a different eq. any roland, kork or yamaha keybord have good to brilliant piano sounds. very embarrassing for nord. organ, rhodes, flute, wurly, strings are wicked. pianos are the sh%ttest ive ever heard.
hi Dre. obviously you like the NE because of everything except for the accoustic pianos? then i also suppose you haven't bought your item because of the APs? (and i suppose you played the 1500 Euro toy before buying it?)
so, for that reason i think it's a bit strange to throw up on Nord?? have you ever earlier had a keyboard where you loved all the sounds? if yes, then why don't you still play it? my experience is that many romplers sounds "fantastic", solo playing with your head phones on, but not that good in a live situation, playing through a PA system. but again - it's all about ones taste.
micr0c0sm wrote:Without string resonance capability in our keyboards, this official definition tells me we should be using the small versions.
hi Micro. there are two types of string resonance. the classic Stage supports "pedal-down"-string resonance...
from nordkeyboards.com:
"A great addition - the String Resonance feature - was added as a free-of-charge OS update in 2009 exclusively for the Nord Stage EX. String Resonance is the phenomenon that occurs inside an acoustic piano or grand when strings, or parts of strings, resonate at their fundamental or harmonic frequencies when other strings are played.

When this functionality is turned on using the Nord Stage EX’s acoustic pianos, all notes you play will affect each other, to reproduce the wonderful acoustics that occurs inside an acoustic grand or upright piano.

The acoustic pianos are also recorded with sustain pedal down. When played with the sustain pedal, the Stage EX’s pianos recreate the string resonance produced by the undampened acoustic piano strings. This adds to the authenticity of the piano sounds by giving them natural body. The Clavinet has an equalizer of its own, which mimics the original D6 tone tabs, and also includes the four Clavinet pickup selections."
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Re: Good Piano Sample?

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I tried out a 61-key Nord Electro 3 (the only Nord I could find in Ohio) today at a music store, and I was also disappointed with the piano (sample 1 seemed the best). It seemed thin and flat maybe, and I also agree that the decay of staccato notes seemed too quick. I had a Yamaha nearby for comparison and used the same headphones for each.

At any rate, I wondered if there was a way to tell if the keyboard was using Piano Library Version 5. The salesman didn't know, but he said they'd just received the keyboard in the last few months. Does anyone know if Nord was selling this keyboard with the newer sample library during this time? Or are they still shipping it with the old library even today?

Thanks for your help!

Scott
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Re: Good Piano Sample?

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"Regarding the Sample size, you should definitively use the MEDIUM samples as not only String resonance is left out in the small ones but also Pedal Down Samples!! Which is really a huge difference".

I don´t think so. What you have in XL, LRG and MED is pedal-down String Resonance samples which is not a Nord electro feature (and - according to Clavia - will never be). As NE3 users we only can use SML.
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