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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby Rob Millis » 21 Aug 2020, 13:53

Hlaalu wrote:We partly agree -- at leaste we agree that "just stay off this portion of the market altogether" isn't the most desirable solution/recommendation for sure.

Personally, I like pipe organs too (and am satisfied with their emulation in the Stage 3), so I would never wish they took them out. Again, I can't but voice my wishes as a customer that they created a dual manual *organ*, with no extra sounds (don't care about those, as I'd still bring a Stage for that), but with the most and best customizations available for organs, click settings, rotary settings, percussion settings, V/C scanners, etc.. Pretty much like it is now but much deeper. That's it, not so complicated in my opinion. Am I really alone in wanting such a machine? :shock:


No, you aren't alone - it took buying a C2D to make me retire my A100 and it is still a wonderful thing on many levels. And yes, you should be able to retain your pipe organ if you wish, I was thinking it would be good if those of us who never use it could have an electric piano instead.

Completely agree that there's not enough tweakability. For example, I often wonder if a few more Leslie simulator editable parameters are all the current sim would need to be able to dial it closer to how we want it to sound, rather than a new sim. If I could sit and edit it using my Neo Vent as a yardstick, I'm sure I could get it close enough to live with any remaining minor differences.

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EDIT: I know it's been two years without any news whatsoever, but for one thing I think that Clavia timeline isn't as fast-paced -- and rightly so, considering the scope of their products. I think it's normal not to expect updates on a weekly basis. For another thing, I also think that this whole "they are done with organs" thing has come *solely from the opinions of this forum*, putting this statement in no firmer basis that anything else fan-generated that may or may not turn out to be true. So yes, I absolutely want a successor of the C2D but let's also be cautious declaring we "give up" just because of some random people's opinions on the web -- with all respect, as I am part of that random people too! ;)


I'd say 'fair enough' to that criticism if it wasn't the case that new Electro or Piano models seem to come along like buses, when there wasn't that much wrong with the previous ones - and yet no organ news when there definitely is a situation that Nord are trailing the clonewheel market now (or were until the Yamaha YC-61 came out :lol: ) . The Mojo, Legend, the "Hoax" HX3 and - as you rightly say - the Suzuki XK5 are all better sounding tonewheel emulations. The HX system is particularly fine in a MAG built organ.

I had my original C2D stolen in January 2019 and for some reason I bought another when a Mojo or Legend Live would have made more sense. I do hope this loyalty will reap at least an updated sound engine at some point....
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby cgrafx » 21 Aug 2020, 19:26

I have to believe that there is considerable effort going into development of a new sound engine platform. The DSP chips being used in all of their current products at this point have to have been already purchased and stored on the shelf. As such Nord cannot continue with the existing architecture as the chips needed for it are no longer being produced.

To be honest I'm a bit surprised they haven't made the jump to a new architecture already, since they've had more than 5 years notice that the DSP chips they are currently using would no longer be manufactured.
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby Hlaalu » 23 Aug 2020, 17:37

Rob Millis wrote:No, you aren't alone - it took buying a C2D to make me retire my A100 and it is still a wonderful thing on many levels. And yes, you should be able to retain your pipe organ if you wish, I was thinking it would be good if those of us who never use it could have an electric piano instead.

Completely agree that there's not enough tweakability. For example, I often wonder if a few more Leslie simulator editable parameters are all the current sim would need to be able to dial it closer to how we want it to sound, rather than a new sim. If I could sit and edit it using my Neo Vent as a yardstick, I'm sure I could get it close enough to live with any remaining minor differences.


I'm glad there's other people wanting the next C2D! :)

I agree with you about the Leslie simulation, and in fact I'd say I pretty much like it even the way it is now. But that's the point: for the Leslie, as well as for pretty much all the rest, it's not that they need to reinvent the wheel from scratch: they are pretty much there, really! It's just about making minor tweaks here and there, more tweakability but also less global settings and more per-program settings.

Well let's see and wait for the next organ news...
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby cidra-silva » 15 Aug 2021, 01:55

Hi Guys, any news about this? Any chance of a new version of C2D?
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby Schorsch » 15 Aug 2021, 15:18

cidra-silva wrote:Hi Guys, any news about this? Any chance of a new version of C2D?


No news ….
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby Tracii » 17 Sep 2021, 17:07

I was in the market for a clonewheel and briefly considered a used C2 (no D!) for its weight and portability. I actually like Nord's digital drawbars and one set per manual is enough for me. However, I ended up buying a Viscount Legend Solo; at a 20% discount, too good to pass up. :D

I've been playing it for a few days now. So far, I'm happy - it feels solid, the basic sound is fine, and having a dedicated set of drawbars for both sections is really inspiring. :keyboard2: There's a slight harshness to the overdrive that took some getting used to, but the EQ is quite powerful and really helps.
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby Tracii » 30 Sep 2021, 15:59

Tracii wrote:Viscount Legend Solo

Two weeks in, I'm still learning.

I've found that by using organ model #6 - supposedly an A100 from 1961 - with Drive and Rotary both set to ROCK, the Legend can sound reaaaaally close to my Electro 3 that's sitting underneath it at the moment. Which is a) wonderful because I love that sound and b) slightly worrying as I might be tempted not to explore what else it can do. ;)
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby Rob Millis » 04 Oct 2021, 20:16

Schorsch wrote:
No news ….


...and over three years since I started the thread!

This is poor, isn't it! A plethora of confusion as to whether the C2D is actually discontinued, or have the stores just run out...or....

....come on, Clavia. At least tell us you aren't going to bother! After all this time we are expecting it, so there's not even any need to think up something to let us down gently....
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby maxpiano » 04 Oct 2021, 20:25

Rob Millis wrote:
Schorsch wrote:
No news ….


...and over three years since I started the thread!

This is poor, isn't it! A plethora of confusion as to whether the C2D is actually discontinued, or have the stores just run out...or....

....come on, Clavia. At least tell us you aren't going to bother! After all this time we are expecting it, so there's not even any need to think up something to let us down gently....


C2D is discontinued, no doubt about that (it is in the "Legacy" section of Nord Products on their webs site...); whether a new model will come is still a question... I personally don't think that Clavia will get back into the "dual manual organ clones" market any soon, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
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Re: How long to wait for a C2D successor?

Postby Valpurgis » 17 Oct 2021, 11:39

Nord is still using the C2D organ engine in the current Nord Stage 3. No point in introducing a new dual manual successor until they have developed an updated organ and leslie engine. Hope that will be done for the Nord Stage 4 and eventuallu lead to a new dual manual organ. But maybe the current alternatives from Crumar and Viscount are too affordable to justify the development of a dedicated organ.
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