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Midi Control Question/s
Hi all,
Im considering an Electro 6 to replace a Roland FA07 as my top board. I chose the FA for a few reasons (VA synth for one) but most arnt relevant any more. The E6 would give a better organ sound - and access to the Nord Piano library (to supplement my RD2000 which is my bottom board).
My concern is Midi control. I know (from the manual) I can assign the Piano engine to external control - so drive that from the RDs weighted board. Thats great. The problem, is I also run a Novation Peak. With the FA its easy - I have the 16 pads set up to select tones - and each pad is its own midi channel. So I have Pad 2 (Midi channel 2) controlling the RDs sound engine for organs, and Pad 3 (Midi Chanel 3) controlling the Peak. I have the other pads assigned to FA07 sounds (mostly strings and orchestral - with the odd pad). So the RD plays its own piano/EP sounds, If I want organ I select pad 2 on the FA and the FAs keys then play the RDs organs. If I want to play the PEAK I select the FAs pad 3 and the FAs keys play the Peak only - pads 4-16 have FAs own tones selected.
What Id need from the E6, is a way for the RDs keyboard to play the piano sounds, then the E6s to play organ. Id want the synth side of the E6 to play its own sounds for strings and orchestral (which is no problem) BUT Id also want to switch to controlling the PEAK when I need to (with no sounds generated by the E6).
I can go into global and turn local off - which would allow me to control Peak from the keyboard, while the RD plays the E6 piano tones - BUT Id loose access to the organ and E6s pads. Is there a way to save the local on /off o a patch by patch basis? Is there a way to enable/disable Midi transmit on a patch by patch basis? (that way I could disable transmit when I wanted to use the E6 tones - but enable a patch with organ and synth parts deselected but Midi transmit on when I want to play the Peak).
Is there another way round this? If I cant do it - it rules the E6 unfortunately. It would be nice to have the Nord sounds - but not at the expense of control. The Peak is why the reasons I chose the FA redundant - so I cant loose the Peak.
Thanks for your help.
Im considering an Electro 6 to replace a Roland FA07 as my top board. I chose the FA for a few reasons (VA synth for one) but most arnt relevant any more. The E6 would give a better organ sound - and access to the Nord Piano library (to supplement my RD2000 which is my bottom board).
My concern is Midi control. I know (from the manual) I can assign the Piano engine to external control - so drive that from the RDs weighted board. Thats great. The problem, is I also run a Novation Peak. With the FA its easy - I have the 16 pads set up to select tones - and each pad is its own midi channel. So I have Pad 2 (Midi channel 2) controlling the RDs sound engine for organs, and Pad 3 (Midi Chanel 3) controlling the Peak. I have the other pads assigned to FA07 sounds (mostly strings and orchestral - with the odd pad). So the RD plays its own piano/EP sounds, If I want organ I select pad 2 on the FA and the FAs keys then play the RDs organs. If I want to play the PEAK I select the FAs pad 3 and the FAs keys play the Peak only - pads 4-16 have FAs own tones selected.
What Id need from the E6, is a way for the RDs keyboard to play the piano sounds, then the E6s to play organ. Id want the synth side of the E6 to play its own sounds for strings and orchestral (which is no problem) BUT Id also want to switch to controlling the PEAK when I need to (with no sounds generated by the E6).
I can go into global and turn local off - which would allow me to control Peak from the keyboard, while the RD plays the E6 piano tones - BUT Id loose access to the organ and E6s pads. Is there a way to save the local on /off o a patch by patch basis? Is there a way to enable/disable Midi transmit on a patch by patch basis? (that way I could disable transmit when I wanted to use the E6 tones - but enable a patch with organ and synth parts deselected but Midi transmit on when I want to play the Peak).
Is there another way round this? If I cant do it - it rules the E6 unfortunately. It would be nice to have the Nord sounds - but not at the expense of control. The Peak is why the reasons I chose the FA redundant - so I cant loose the Peak.
Thanks for your help.
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
paulmapp8306 wrote:Is there a way to save the local on /off o a patch by patch basis?
No, but "EXTERNAL KBD TO LO" is saved on a patch by patch basis, which essentially turns Local Off for that sound. So use that to allow your Roland to play the Nord's piano sound, and if you want such a patch to also play only the Peak from the Nord's own keys, just don't activate any of the other engines to play from the Nord's own keys, that should work. The trick is you also need to stop the Peak from playing when you want the Nord's keys to only being playing the Nord's organ or other sounds. You could just turn the volume down on the Peak, but it would still be receiving MIDI, which could be problematic. (For example, calling up different sounds or making front panel adjustments to the Nord sound could be making undesired changes on your Peak.) So I would use a MIDI kill switch between the Nord and the Peak, to control when the Peak does and does not see MIDI from the Nord. https://www.etsy.com/listing/258510836/midi-kill-switch
No... that's why you'll need the MIDI kill switch.paulmapp8306 wrote:Is there a way to enable/disable Midi transmit on a patch by patch basis? (that way I could disable transmit when I wanted to use the E6 tones - but enable a patch with organ and synth parts deselected but Midi transmit on when I want to play the Peak).
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
Hum - as I thought. Its not getting the peak to play without the Nord (or indeed layering both) - its stopping the Peak playing when I only want the Electro. Thats not a problem with the FA - though its a different type of board obviously.
The RD has some great Piano sounds (just not the ones you see on all the demos), and I didnt feel the Nords were better when I tried them- just different. It was the Keybed that sold me the RD over a Nord Piano, or Stage 3. It would be nice to Add the Nord pianos but not a must have. The orchestral and pads are better on the FA as a whole -though Sax's and brass are better on the Nord. The strings I prefer on the FA as well - but I can get very close from the RDs string sounds so I wouldnt miss them if I switch.
The main driver is the Organ tones. I play the RDs organ rather than use the FA as I feel with the EXP5 expansion loaded they are better - and I get drawbars from the RDs control surface - HOWEVER, the Nord organ tones are definately better - and thats the main driver for the switch.
I got the FA over the Electro initially because I wanted a full on VA Synth (or analogue) and the electro doesnt really do it. The FAs VA synth engine is pretty good - though a little liited in a MOD matrix - which Is why I added the Peak. Now I have that, and basic pads are fine on the RD Im no so bothered about the FA. The sequencer is useful as is the programmable arpegiator - but I can always add something external like a Beatstep pro if I really need that.
So - if I can get the midi control of the Peak sorted - or usable, I think the Electro 6 does make a little more sense. Not that the RD2000, FA07, Peak combo isnt great already.
Ive not seen a midi kill switch before. That could do the job actually. set patches with no sound on the Electro, with piano set to Lo (Id need play the piano sounds from the electros keybed) and use that switch as an "active" switch for the Peak. No real difference to using the FAs pads. Id prefer a push push toggle rather than a rocker - but it could work just fine.
The RD has some great Piano sounds (just not the ones you see on all the demos), and I didnt feel the Nords were better when I tried them- just different. It was the Keybed that sold me the RD over a Nord Piano, or Stage 3. It would be nice to Add the Nord pianos but not a must have. The orchestral and pads are better on the FA as a whole -though Sax's and brass are better on the Nord. The strings I prefer on the FA as well - but I can get very close from the RDs string sounds so I wouldnt miss them if I switch.
The main driver is the Organ tones. I play the RDs organ rather than use the FA as I feel with the EXP5 expansion loaded they are better - and I get drawbars from the RDs control surface - HOWEVER, the Nord organ tones are definately better - and thats the main driver for the switch.
I got the FA over the Electro initially because I wanted a full on VA Synth (or analogue) and the electro doesnt really do it. The FAs VA synth engine is pretty good - though a little liited in a MOD matrix - which Is why I added the Peak. Now I have that, and basic pads are fine on the RD Im no so bothered about the FA. The sequencer is useful as is the programmable arpegiator - but I can always add something external like a Beatstep pro if I really need that.
So - if I can get the midi control of the Peak sorted - or usable, I think the Electro 6 does make a little more sense. Not that the RD2000, FA07, Peak combo isnt great already.
Ive not seen a midi kill switch before. That could do the job actually. set patches with no sound on the Electro, with piano set to Lo (Id need play the piano sounds from the electros keybed) and use that switch as an "active" switch for the Peak. No real difference to using the FAs pads. Id prefer a push push toggle rather than a rocker - but it could work just fine.
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
Sounds like a Stage 3 would suit you far better - has a killer VA, intelligent layer-based external controls (per patch), and splits for those externals too.
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
It was the stage 3 I looked at when I got the rd. The 73 note version with drawbars would be nice, but its both 800 to 1000, and all I'm getting over the electro I really need is the external control of peak.
Could just put it on hold for a few months then go stage 3 I guess. I'm not unhappy with what I have, just wish the organs were a touch better really.
Could just put it on hold for a few months then go stage 3 I guess. I'm not unhappy with what I have, just wish the organs were a touch better really.
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
paulmapp8306 wrote:I'm not unhappy with what I have, just wish the organs were a touch better really.
Other possible solution for that problem:
* route your FA organ sounds to its Sub Out, and run them through a Neo Ventilator or similar
* MIDI a better organ module to your FA (Gemini module, Legend Exp, HX3)
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
I did look at organ modules, but nothing thats better had the drawbars. Adding a ventilator is OK, but as I use the RDs organs not the FAs (because the RDs are better - still not Nord good though). The FA does have sub outs - and I run everything into a little mixer so that wouldnt be a problem. Might have to look at that solution (at least for a year or so until I could afford the Stage 3).
Are the core sounds not much different from RD to Nord? is it really all in the Leslie sim?
Are the core sounds not much different from RD to Nord? is it really all in the Leslie sim?
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
The 3 organ modules I mentioned either come with drawbars or have drawbars optionally available.
The differences are not just the leslie sim, but I think that's the the FA's weakest link.
The differences are not just the leslie sim, but I think that's the the FA's weakest link.
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
As I say - Im NOT using the FAs organ sounds, Im using the RD2000s organs. I prefer the sounds and I have the drawbars already in the RD.
Might need to look at a vent/mini vent.
Only problem with the Mini is no remote - so needs to be on the floor, and no dedicated stop function. Trying to hit both switches with a foot - when its under a keyboard might be tricky. For just slow/fast control though should work fine on the floor. It would fit ont he RDs right side - but I prefer changing speed with a footswitch not by hand.
Might need to look at a vent/mini vent.
Only problem with the Mini is no remote - so needs to be on the floor, and no dedicated stop function. Trying to hit both switches with a foot - when its under a keyboard might be tricky. For just slow/fast control though should work fine on the floor. It would fit ont he RDs right side - but I prefer changing speed with a footswitch not by hand.
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Re: Midi Control Question/s
Sorry, yes, I was thinking FA/RD organ sound was probably pretty much the same, and I was thinking FA+Vent because I didn't think the RD had a sub out to easily add the Vent. But looking at a pic of the back panel, it looks like it does, so you could go that way, too. I have not heard the RD2000 organ sound, myself.
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